Jul 23, 2025 Board of Directors Pre-Budget Workshop

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THE STATE LAW NOTICE THIS MEETING WAS POSTED 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING. THE POSTING OCCURRED INSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE WOODLANDS TOWNSHIP. DETERMINATION OF A QUORUM REQUIRES AT LEAST FOUR BOARD MEMBERS TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM.

AS I ASK EACH BOARD MEMBER TO END KATE WITH AN AUDIBLE SOUND OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AS I CALL ROLL. DIRECTOR NELSON?

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>> DIRECTOR SNYDER?

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>> DIRECTOR HIGHSER?

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>> DIRECTOR BAILEY HERE. ROLL CALL DETERMINED A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

WE'RE MISSING OUR VICE CHAIRMAN EISSLER AND RICHARD FRANKS,

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PLEASE REVIEW YOUR AGENDA PAGES ONE THROUGH TWO OF YOUR PACKET. I CALL A MOTION TO SECOND.

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>> RECOGNIZE THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS. NO ONE IS SIGNED IN BUT, ARTHUR, WELCOME. WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

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NO SPEAKERS SO WE'LL GO TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, AN ACT ON THE 2026 BUDGET INITIATIVES.

I CALL ON THE CEO, MONIQUE SHARPE, TO PRESENT. THANK YOU, MONIQUE.

>> THANK YOU AND GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. SO TODAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A REVIEW OR A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF SOME BUDGET INITIATIVES THAT THE BOARD WILL ALSO BE CONSIDERING WHEN WE GET TO OUR AUGUST BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETINGS. SO TODAY IS REALLY JUST A CHANCE FOR THE BOARD TO GET A SORT OF OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET INITIATIVES WE HAVE RECEIVED FOR SOME OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. WE'VE RECEIVED THEIRS, SOME TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES. SOME INITIATIVES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AT YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE. I THINK WE WILL HAVE A FEW ADDITION AL -- I DON'T THINK, I KNOW WE'LL HAVE A FEW WHEN WE GET TO AUGUST.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THOSE, BUT YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THEM HERE TODAY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT TAKE -- ACTUALLY, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT WHERE YOU CAN TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION ON THEM BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU MAKE DECISIONS IN CONTEXT OF THE BUDGET, AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE NUMBERS AT THIS POINT. WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS FROM THE TAX ASSESSOR.

THOSE AREN'T DUE UNTIL THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST TO PROVIDE THAT YOU.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, AGAIN, TO GET AN OVERVIEW OF THEM AND TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AT THE AUGUST WORKSHOP RETREATS.

SO, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO --

>> AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, CAN WE ADD BUDGET INITIATIVES WE FEEL THAT MIGHT NEAT TO BE VETTED IN

AUGUST? >> ABSOLUTELY, YES.

YES, THAT IS PART OF THIS PROCESS. OKAY. THIS IS JUST A HIGH- LEVEL OVERVIEW OF SOME OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TODAY BROKEN DOWN INTO THE CATEGORIES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE SOME FROM PARKS AND THEN WE HAVE THE REQUEST FROM THE VILLAGE ASSOCIATION AND THEN OTHER WITH SOME OF OUR MAJOR INITIATIVES THAT ARE STILL IN VARIOUS COMMITTEES, THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE. BUT BEFORE WE DO I WANT TO GIVE, AGAIN, I JUST MENTIONED I DO NOT HAVE THE BUDGET, THE '26 BUDGET, OBVIOUSLY.

WE ARE WAITING ON A LOT OF INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL CONTEXT OF WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET INITIATIVES, THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES THOSE COULD COME FROM.

AGAIN, THESE ARE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS.

THEY WILL CHANGE BUT THEY'RE FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN AUGUST.

SO CURRENTLY AN UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE OF $3. 9 MILLION AND A HOTEL TAX RESERVE OF $8 MILLION, TWO RESERVES THAT ARE NOT DEDICATED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. RESERVE FUNDS ARE GOOD TO FUND ONE TIME CAPITAL PURCHASES, SO NOT ONGOING OPERATIONS, BUT THAT IS SOME MONEY THAT COULD BE SPENT ON THE CAPITAL INITIATIVES WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TODAY AND

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WE WENT OVER THIS AT YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IN MAY. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT TODAY BUT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THESE AGAIN WHEN WE GET TO YOUR AUGUST BUDGET WORKSHOP.

PLEASE DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS, SO I HAVE IT RECORDED THAT YOU ALL CAN'T HOLD ME TO THIS ONE BUT, AGAIN, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL CONTEXT OF HOW MUCH REVENUE GROWTH I THINK WE WILL SEE FROM '25 TO '26. RIGHT NOW -- OH, I FORGOT A ZERO THERE, SO THAT PERCENT GROWTH FACTOR IS SUPPOSED TO BE 045. IT'S FROM THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AND THAT IS, BY LAW THE -- FOR IT TO GET TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OR TO THE MAXIMUM RATE IS 3. 5% AND TRADITIONALLY THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS A 1% GROWTH IN NEW PROPERTY SO THAT'S HOW I'M GETTING TO THE 4.5%.

>> QUESTION, PLEASE. SO THE TWO INCREASES, THE 1.

9 AND ALMOST 3. 1, DOES THAT MEAN THOSE ARE FUNDS THAT WE WILL, WITH INITIATIVES BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IF IT BECOMES THAT?

>> YOU COULD USE A PORTION OF THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS REVENUE GROWTH IN TOTAL FOR '26, VERY PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE, IS IN THE RANGE OF $5 MILLION. THAT $5 MILLION WILL HAVE TO BE USED TO FUND YOUR BASE BUDGET INCREASES.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, YOUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, SOLID WASTE IS AN EXAMPLE. THERE'S A LOT OF OUR CONTRACTS HAVE CPI INDEX IN THEM AND SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE USED FOR THAT.

IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR CURRENT TOWNSHIP STAFF AND A PORTION CAN BE USED FOR BUDGET INITIATIVES.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT YOUR BASE BUDGET IN AUGUST BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON BUDGET INITIATIVES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

OKAY. SO WITH THAT I AM GOING TO START WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUDGET INITIATIVES.

THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MET LASTLAST WEEK. HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT REPRESENTATIVES THERE.

DID ASK FOR SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHANGES.

WE DID RECEIVE A NEW PROPOSAL FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND AN UPDATED ONE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO. I WAS NOT ABLE TO RUN THROUGH THE CHANGES FROM AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO, BUT I'LL TRY TO SPEAK TO THOSE, BUT THE PROPOSAL WE RECEIVED LAST NIGHT, THOSE WILL BE INCLUDED IN HERE. I GET THIS QUESTION A LOT, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT REAL QUICK, OUR TOWNSHIP ENABLING LEGISLATION ISIS ALLOWS US TO SUPPLEMENT BUT NOT SUPPLANT LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES. SO THIS COMES DIRECTLY FROM OUR LEGISLATION, AND IT TALKS ABOUT -- AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO EMPLOY OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO WE RELY ON MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE CONSTABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO US, AND THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT HOW MONTGOMERY COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY HERE, DOES STILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE TOWNSHIP AS WE ALL KNOW AND THE TOWNSHIP DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUPPLEMENT THOSE BASE LEVEL SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY AND THAT HAS WORKED VERY WELL FOR US.

WE ENJOY A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR VARIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

AND SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE DO THAT.

SO THE FIRST CHART YOU CAN SEE THE POSITIONS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP AND FUNDED BY THE TOWNSHIP TOTAL 100, SO THIS IS OUR -- BASED ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT -- THE 2025 CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED LAST MONTH -- THE TOWNSHIP FUNDS 100 POSITIONS. 87 PATROL DEPUTIES, FIVE DEPUTY SPECIALISTS AND EIGHT DETECTIVES.

SO THAT IS OUR SUPPLEMENTAL. THE COUNTY HAS IN THE CONTRACT IS REQUIRED TO FUND 19 POSITIONS AND THOSE POSITIONS ARE DEDICATED -- THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE A DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP. YOU CAN SEE THERE THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED, THE CAPTAINS, THREE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS, TWO LIEUTENANTS AND 13 SERGEANTS.

THAT'S A TOTAL OF 19 THEY FUND DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT NOW.

IN ADDITION TO THAT THE COUNTY FUND A VARIETY OF POSITIONS THAT SUPPORT COUNTYWIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND YOU SEE THOSE LISTED IN THE FINAL CHART, SO THOSE ARE NOT ONES WHERE THE SERVICES ARE DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE TOWNSHIP, BUT THAT IS THE ONES

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AND SO THE WAY THAT IN THIS SLIDE, THOSE LAST TWO CHARTS, THE MIDDLE CHART AND THE ONE TO THE FAR RIGHT, ARE FUNDED, THE TOWNSHIP DOES HELP FUND THOSE SERVICES THROUGH OUR TEX LEVY, OUR COUNTY TAX LEVY.

AND SO WHAT I AM SHOWING HERE IS JUST THE PERCENT OF THETHE PAID BY TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS OR TOWNSHIP PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE COUNTY, WE PAY ABOUT 32% OF THEIR FULL TAXES WHICH EQUALS ABOUT $106 MILLION. SO PART OF THOSE TAXES THAT TOWNSHIP PROPERTY OWNERS PAY GO TO FUND THOSE COUNTYWIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. SO HERE IS A LOOK AT THE PORTION THAT THE TOWNSHIP FUNDS. SO WE JUST LOOKED AT WHAT THE COUNTY FUNDS OR THE TOWNSHIP TAXPAYERS PAY THROUGH THE COUNTY LEVY THIS IS WHAT THE TOWNSHIP TAX PROPERTY OWNERS PAY THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP TAX LEVY. IN 2025 WE ARE PAYING THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR CONTRACTED LAW ENFORCEMENT TOTAL $18. 5 MILLION. ALL BUT $2 MILLION OF THAT GOES TO THE HARRIS COUNTY CONSTABLE PRECINCT FOUR AND THE REST -- SO ABOUT 16. 5 MILLION IS ALLOCATED TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. RUNNING THROUGH THE CHANGES OR THE PROPOSALS -- ENTERING IN THE ALS IS WHAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE '26 BASE BUDGET.

SO THE FIRST THING THAT YOU SEE UP THERE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS THE BODY AND IN- CAR CAMERAS. SO LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THAT.

THAT WAS A HUGE INCREASE THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT WHEN WE ADOPTED LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. THE CONTRACT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED INCLUDED THOSE IN THERE NOW, SO THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING COST FOR US OF AROUND, FOR THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE $820,000 IN 2026 AND AFTER THAT ABOUT $600,000 ON AND ON AND SOMETHING BASIS. WE HAVE ALSO HEARD, AND YOU SEE THE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED AT 10%, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AS AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT SALARIES AND BENEFITS MAY GO UP THIS YEAR.

SO THOSE ARE NOT FINAL NUMBERS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BUDGET COMMITTEE MAY KNOW IN THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF AUGUST, I BELIEVE T THE CAPTAIN JUST TOLDTOLD ME, SO WE WON'T HAVE A GOOD NUMBER UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE WE GO INTO BUDGET BUT THIS IS THE ESTIMATE THEY ASKED US TO USE. THE NUMBER HIGHLIGHTED AT THE BOUGHT AM , THE $2. 2 MILLION IN THE CHANGE COLUMN, THAT IS BEFORE WE EVER CONSIDER ANY BUDGET INITIATIVES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OR ANY OTHER AGENCY OR OUR OWN, THE BUDGET WILL GO UP JUST BASED ON THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.

>> AND IS IT CORRECT THAT WHATEVER PERCENTAGE OF SALARY INCREASE FOR PERSONNEL WE ALSO ADOPT THAT SAME PERCENTAGE?

>> YES, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. WHATEVER THE COUNTY DECIDES TO DO IS WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO.

>> DO YOU MIND EDUCATING OUR COMMUNITY IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING ONLINE THAT -- ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PAY SCALE OF POLICE OFFICERS DUE TO HARRIS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF HOUSTON?

>> YOU JUST TEED IT UP. RECENTLY THEIR COUNCILS HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO INCREASE THOSE BASED ON SOME MARKET STUDIES AND ALSO THEM BEING BEHIND BUT MAINLY ON MARKET STUDIES, AND SO THAT HAS -- IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO STAY COMPETITIVE SO THAT MONTGOMERY COUNTY CAN STAY COMPETITIVE AND OUR HARRIS COUNTY CONSTABLES CAN STAY COMPETITIVE, THAT IS WHY THIS IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OBVIOUSLY A GREAT TEAM THAT ARE SUPPORTING US IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO MONTGOMERY COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT SET UP AND ESTABLISHED A COMMITTEE TO STUDY WHAT IS COMING OUT OF HARRIS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND WILL BE RECOMMENDING A RATE INCREASE IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMPETITIVE AND CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.

>> I'M LOOKING AT IN- CAR CAMERAS FOR 2025.

SO THAT WAS OUR PORTION THAT WE WILL TAKE CARE OF DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR?

>> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

YOU SAID ONGOING THE CHARGE WILL BE $600,000 FOR IN-CAR CAMERAS. DID YOU SAY THAT'S FOR SOFTWARE UPDATES OR PHYSICAL EQUIPMENT?

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>> THAT'S FOR THE SOFTWARE, JUST TO RUN THE SYSTEM.

>> I WANT TO POINT OUT BEFORE WE GET TO THE OTHER, WE KNOW OUR BASE BUDGET IS GOING TO GO UP SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF $2.2 MILLION. NOW WE'LL GET INTO THE SPECIFIC REQUESTS. AS WE MENTIONED -- AS I MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, UNDER THE 2025 CONTRACT, THE TOWNSHIP CURRENTLY SUPPLEMENTS AT 100 POSITIONS, AND THOSE ARE MADE UP OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

THE FOCUS FOR THIS BOARD AND PREVIOUS BOARDS HAS BEEN TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY POLICING PROGRAM, AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE SUPPLIED THE SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDS FOR SO THE PATROL DEPUTIES, THERE'S 87 PATROL DEPUTIES, FIVE DEPUTY SPECIALISTS, EIGHT DETECTIVES, AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES UP OUR 100.

WHAT THE PRE E PROPOSAL FROM THE SHERIFF OFFICE IS THEY WOULD FUND 109 POSITIONS, AND SO THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

SO IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION ON THE PATROL DEPUTIES OF EIGHT AND THEN THE DEPUTY SPECIAL WOULD BE USED TO CONVERT TO A DEPUTY SPECIALIST TEAM OF EIGHT PERSONS. AND THEN THE CONTINUATION OF THE DEPUTY SPECIALIST AND THEN HERE IS THE LARGEST CHANGE WHICH ISIS INSTEAD OF THE TOWNSHIP CONTINUING TO FUND DETECTIVES, THE EIGHT DETECTIVES, WE WOULD NOW FUND 13 SERGEANTS, SO IT'S A SWAP IN FUNDING BETWEEN THE DETECTIVES AND THE SERGEANTS. THE IDEA THERE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS THAT THE SERGEANTS ARE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP, THE ONES THAT MANAGE OUR DEPUTIES AND SO THEY ARE TYPICALLY PRESENT HERE, WHEREAS THE DETECTIVES -- ALTHOUGH IN THE PAST IN THE CONTRACT THEY HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT REVIEW OF EFFICIENCY, THEY HAVE DETERMINED THAT IS NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO RUN THEIR DEPARTMENT AND THAT THEIR DETECTIVES SOMETIMES NEED TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWNSHIP.

THEIR CONCENTRATION AREA IS GREATER THAN JUST THE TOWNSHIP AND, THEREFORE, WE WOULD NOT FUND THOSE.

WE WOULD SWITCH TO FUNDING THE SERGEANTS.

>> MONIQUE, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE PATROL DEPUTY CHANGE FROM 87 TO 79?

>> THE PROPOSAL IS INSTEAD OF HAVING DEPUTIES THAT EIGHT OF OUR DEPUTIES ARE RECLASSED TO FORM A CRIME REDUCTION UNIT WHICH IS IS UP OF DEPUTY SPECIALISTS, SO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL MAY BE ABLE TO TALK TO THAT BETTER BUT IT IS TAKEN FROM THE GENERAL PATROL -- COMMUNITY PATROL -- AND PUTTING THAT INTO A UNIT THAT IS MORE FOCUSED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> FOCUSED ON THE TOWN CENTER PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY, CORRECT?

>> RIGHT.

>> COULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE MOUNTED PATROL?

>> THIS DOES NOT ENVISION THAT AT THIS

TIME. >> SO DEPUTY SPECIALISTS DON'T RIDE HORSES?

>> NOT IN THIS PROPOSAL, THEY DO

NOT. >> THIS IS MORE OF A PREVENTATIVE TYPE OF SPECIALIST, FOR SPECIFIC --

>> CRIME REDUCTION UNIT. IF THEY'RE HAVING A SPECIFIC AREA OF CONCERN, THEN THIS GROUP WILL GO AND CONCENTRATE ONON THAT. AM I DESCRIBING THIS FAIRLY CORRECTLY?

>> YES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT LAW ENFORCEMENT BOOTS ON THE GROUND, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES HERE, 2025 WE HAD 100.

IF YOU TAKE OFF THE MECHANIC AND THE DETENTION OFFICERS IN THE JAIL, WE'RE LOOKING AT 106, SO WE'VE INCREEPSED IT BY SIX OFFICERS THIS YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SO THE INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, MECHANIC MAKE UP FOUR SO WE WOULD GO FROM 100 TO 105 AND BASICALLY THAT'S A SWITCH FROM INSTEAD OF FUNDING EIGHT DETECTIVES, WE WOULD FUND 13 SERGEANTS, SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE PICKING UP THE FIVE.

>> OKAY.

>> AND THEY WOULD STILL FUND 19

POSITIONS? >> THE COUNTY WOULD STILL FUND THE 19 POSITIONS, YES.

>> DOES THE SERGEANT HAVE ANYBODY REPORTING TO THEM? SERGEANT, TO ME, SEEMS PRETTY HIGH LEVEL.

>> THE SERGEANT IS THE FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR ABOVE THE DEPUTY, SO FOR EACH SHIFT WE HAVE TWO SERGEANTS ON SHIFT. DURING THE DAY SHIFT WE HAVE TWO AND THE NIGHT SHIFT WE HAVE TWO AS WELL.

>> OKAY.

>> IS THIS THE TIME TO DO IT OR WE CAN DO IT LATER, BUT YOU

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>> YES, SIR. THE SERGEANTS DIRECTLY SUPERVISE THE PATROL DEDICATED TO THE WOODLANDS WHICH WOULD MEAN THE SERGEANTS WOULD BE 100% DEDICATED TO THE WOODLANDS. DETECTIVES HAVE ON- CALL SCHEDULES SO, THEREFORE, IF THE PHONE RINGS, THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND TAKE IT ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. SO, ALSO, IF THEY PICK UP A CASE IN THE WOODLANDS BUT YET IT'S IN EAST COUNTY, NORTH COUNTY OR WHAT NOT, THEY'RE GOING ALL OVER AND THEY'RE INVESTIGATING THESE. PRIOR TO 2021, THE SERGEANTS WERE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE TOWNSHIP. AFTER 2021 IT WAS SWAPPED WHERE THE DETECTIVES WERE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE TOWNSHIP.

ALSO, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THE SHERIFF HAS ALSO ASKED TO REMOVE THE SAFE HARBOR DETECTIVE.

SO CURRENTLY WILL FUND 101 POSITIONS, THAT WOULD BE NINE DETECTIVES REMOVED AND THEN 13 SERGEANTS ADDED. SO THERE WOULD BE A SWAP FROM 101 TO 105 WITH FOUR ADDITIONAL NOT COUNTING THE ANALYST, MECHANIC AND DETENTION OFFICERS. ALSO, THE WAY THE SHERIFF HAS SET IT UP, THE DETECTIVES SPECIALIZE.

SO PRIOR TO SHERIFF DOOLITTLE, ONE DETECTIVE COULD TAKE A SEXUAL ASSAULT ONE DAY AND A BURGLARY THE SECOND.

NOW SEXUAL ASSAULT HAPPENS, THE SPECIALIZED DETECTIVES THAT DO SEXUAL ASSAULT CRIMES DO THAT.

ROBBERIES, VIOLENT CRIMES, THOSE INDIVIDUAL DETECTIVES THAT SPECIALIZE IN THOSE TAKE THOSE REPORTS AND INVESTIGATE THOSE CASES.

>> MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> OKAY. SO THAT BRINGS UP TWO IMPORTANT POINTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. SO THE COLUMN, THE CHART ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE SAYS DEDICATED TOWNSHIP POSITIONS FUNDED BY THE COUNTY. AS YOU JUST HEARD AND AS YOU SEE IN YOUR PROPOSAL, THOSE DETECTIVES WILL NOT BE SERVING JUST THE COUNTY. SO THAT TERMINOLOGY THAT WE USED TO USE IS NOT REALLY ACCURATE ANYMORE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WILL BE ASSIGNED TO DIVISION SIX.

THAT'S WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE ORG CHART THAT THEY SENT IN BUT THEY WILL BE WORKING OUTSIDE OF THE TOWNSHIP. ALSO, THE CAPTAIN JUST MENTIONED 101 DETECTIVES. I DID NOT INCLUDE IT IN THIS.

IT'S ON A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. WE HAVE ONE DETECTIVES THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THE SAFE HARBOR WITH THE CHILDREN AND WHAT THE COUNTY IS PROPOSING IS THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE DEDICATED JUST TO THE TOWNSHIP, AND SO THEY'RE PICKING UP THE FUNDING FOR THAT, SO THAT IS GOING TO BE REMOVED. AND SO IF THE TOWNSHIP BOARD WANTED TO HAVE A CONTINUED DEDICATED POSITION, WE WOULD -- THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME IN FURTHER NEGOTIATION. THIS PROPOSAL REMOVES IT FROM TOWNSHIP -- A FOCUS ON TOWNSHIP TO A COUNTYWIDE FOCUS. OKAY.

SO IN TERMS OF -- BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, SO LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE DIFFERENT COSTS ARE RELATED TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO THAT SWAPPING -- THAT SWAP FUNDING OF THE EIGHT DETECTIVES FOR THE 13 SERGEANTS HAS A NET COST OF $931,510.

THAT WILL NOW BE REDUCED BY THE -- BY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH SAFE HARBOR, ONE OF THOSE CHANGES THAT CAME IN ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. I DID NOT GET TO RUN THAT THROUGH. THAT'S ABOUT $130,000, SO THAT WILL COME OFF THAT. BUT THAT'S STILL LOOKING AT A FAIRLY LARGE NUMBER. THE RECLASS FROM THE DEPUTIES TO THE SPECIALIST IS BASICALLY A PUSH.

THERE'S A SMALL DIFFERENCE THERE. I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO CALCULATE ALL OF THOSE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY THE SAME COST.

THEY ARE ALSO -- THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE TARGETED OVERTIME PROGRAM FROM BASICALLY 1. 3 MILLION TO 1. 4 MILLION SO THAT'S $101,000 COST. THEY ARE REQUESTING 30 FLOCK CAMERAS AT A COST OF 109,500 AND THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING IT -- 90,000 RECURRING COST FOR THE SOFTWARE. A NEW POLARIS RANGER TO REPLACE AN AGING ONE AT ABOUT 60,000 AND THEN TEN LIDAR. THAT IS $1. 2 MILLION.

THERE'S THE COST OF THE ADDITIONAL BUDGET INITIATIVES LISTED AT THE BOTTOM FOR THOSE FOUR POSITIONS AROUND $400,000.

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>> CAN WE JUST GO BACK TO THE OVERTIME? WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PERSONNEL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THE OVERTIME STILL EXPECTED TO BE ABOUT 1. 4 MILLION?

>> YES, MA'AM. THE REASON I ASKED FOR THE INCREASE FROM 1. 3 TO 1. 4 WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF THE PAY RAISE TO KEEP THE SAME OR APPROXIMATE SAME NUMBER OF HOURS, YES, MA'AM.

>> SO THIS IS A LOOK GOING BACK TO 2023 OF WHAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS FUNDED FOR OUR SUPPLEMENTED SERVICES DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP, SO IN 2023 THE BUDGET WAS ABOUT 11. 9 MILLION. IN 2024 IS WHEN THE BOARD ADDED POSITIONS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY THE TOWN CENTER AREAS SO THERE WERE EIGHT POSITIONS ADDED THERE. 2025 THE BUDGET WAS RELATIVELY FLAT. THIS BASE BUDGET AS WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL SLIDES AGO, WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE BODY CAMERAS AND THE PROJECTED 10% INCREASE IN SALARIES AND BENEFITS OF AROUND 2 MILLION. AND THEN THE BUDGET INITIATIVE REQUEST THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED TOTALS ABOUT 1. 2 MILLION DOLLARS SO THAT WOULD BRING THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY FUNDING UP TO 18.3 MILLION AND A TOTAL PERCENTAGE INCREASE OF AROUND 20%.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BEFORE WE MOVE ON?

>> CAN WE -- YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GOT HIT WITH A SURPRISE CAMERA SYSTEM OUT OF NOWHERE LONG BEFORE Y'ALL TOOK OFFICE, I'LL LET THE RECORD REFLECT.

I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE BIG HIT THAT WAS AND THE SURPRISE IT WAS TO EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD AND STAFF. AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH US. BUT SEEING THAT WE'RE NOW WITH THE NEW CAMERAS WILL HAVE TO SWITCH IT DOWN $600,000 AND CHANGE A YEAR FOR PROGRAMMING, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS, CINDY?

>> YES, STARTING IN '27.

>> WITH ALL OF THAT HITTING US, COULD WE ASK THE SHERIFF, THE MECHANIC AND THE TWO DETENTION OFFICERS, BE A COUNTY EXPENSE AND NOT A TOWNSHIP EXPENSE?

>> DEFINITELY SIR. WHAT I HAVE ASKED FLEET TO DO IS TAKE THE CAMERASTHAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED THIS YEAR AND WITH THE NEW FLEET OF 2025 VEHICLES COMING IN APPROXIMATELY A MONTH TO TWO MONTHS IS REUSE THOSE CAMERAS FOR THE 2025 FLEET AND ALSO FOR THE 2026 FLEET.

SO BY THE TIME THE 2026 FLEET GETS HERE, THEY'LL BE 18 MONTHS OLD BY THAT TIME.

>> OKAY.

>> ALSO FOR THE MECHANICS, THE REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER AND THE DETENTION OFFICERS. THE MECHANIC WAS MORE OR LESS TO SHORTEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES FOR A PATROL OFFICER WAITING ON HIS VEHICLE TO BE SERVICED, AND THAT'S WHY THE SHERIFF ASKED FOR THOSE.

THE ANALYST PROVIDES THE REAL- TIME CRIME CENTER, MEANING AS A CRIME IS OCCURRING THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY DOING THE ANALYTICAL WORK TO PUT IT INTO THE NOTES, TO NOTIFY THE DETECTIVES AND/OR DEPUTIES RESPONDING TO THE CALL.

THE JAILERS WERE TO -- AND THIS IS ONLY IF IT WANTED TO BE FUNDED TO ADD TO THE 287 G PROGRAM, THE ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION. SO WHAT THEY DO THEY CHECK THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF ANYONE THAT COMES INTO THE JAIL.

AND IF THEIR STATUS IS NOT VALID, THEN THEY'RE NOTIFIED BY I.C.E.

>> OKAY.

>> CAPTAIN, BEFORE YOU GO, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT DO YOU HAVE A FIGURE ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CRIME THAT OCCURS IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY ACTUALLY OCCURS IN THE WOODLANDS?

>> I DON'T, MA'AM. THE ONLY STAT I BROUGHT WITH ME WAS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DETECTIVE CASES WORKED OUT OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY, OUT OF 84 DETECTIVES, WHICH WAS 16%.

BUT THAT'S FELONY AND ABOVE. THE SHERIFF HAS ALSO TAKEN AWAY THE PATROL DEPUTIES WORKING MISDEMEANOR CASES AND PUT THAT GO ONTO THE DETECTIVES SO, THEREFORE, WE CREATE THE PATROL DEPUTIES OUT ON THE STREET MORE THAN THEY WERE PRIOR.

>> IS THERE SUCH A FIGURE AVAILABLE?

>> YES, MA'AM. I CAN GET THAT AND WILL GET BACK TO YOU WITH IT.

>> I WANT TO READ A STAT THAT YOU SENT ME.

EACH MONTH THE CAPTAIN SENDS US THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS, AND HE BREAKS IT DOWN FROM JANUARY TO JULY. IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME -- TO JUNE, NOT JULY -- WAS 651 ARRESTS.

152 WERE WOODLANDS RESIDENTS. 204 WERE MONTGOMERY COUNTY RESIDENTS OUTSIDE THE WOODLANDS.

AND 294 WERE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY TOTALLY.

AND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S AROUND 45% OF THE

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COUNTY? >> YES, SIR.

>> THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING BUT THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION, TOO. WE SHOULD CHARGE EXTRA FOR THOSE FOLKS.

>> PUT A TOLL AT THE COUNTY

LINE. >> GOOD IDEA.

NOT REALLY. MAYBE THEY SHOULD JUST LEARN MANNERS. NO, WHAT I WAS ASKING IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CRIME THAT OCCURS, NOT WHO DOES IT, NOT WHO DOES IT, BUT THAT ACTUALLY IS NOTED AND IN THE WOODLANDS VERSUS THE REST OF THE COUNTY.

>> AT WHAT POINT -- WELL, MAYBE YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE OF THE CAMERAS, BUT WOULD YOU MIND A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE FOR THE PUBLIC?

>> THERE ARE LICENSE PLATE READERS, IT TAKES A PICTURE OF THE LICENSE PLATE. FLOCK IS FROM FOUR TO SIX MONTHS AND IF I AM WORKING A CASE AND IF I HAVEHAVE LICENSE PLATE AND HAVE A MAKE OF A VEHICLE, A COLOR OF A VEHICLE, I CAN TYPE THAT INTO THE WEB- BASED PROGRAM AND EVERY TIME THE LICENSE PLATE IS HIT, IF I HAVE A MAKE, MODEL, I CAN PUT ALL THE RED CHEVROLET PICKUPS AND IT WILL PULL IT FOR A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION SUCH AS SOMEBODY BROKE INTO MY HOUSE DRIVING A RED CHEVROLET PICKUP AND I PUT THE TIME, THE START TIME AND THE END TIME, IT WILL GIVE ME ALL THAT INFORMATION. THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND PRO-ACTIVE AND REACTIVE POLICING.

REACTIVE BEING A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED AND I AM TRYING TRYING SOLVE WHO DID IT.

PROACTIVE MEANS I KNOW THAT MR. SMITH IS A BANK ROBBER SO, THEREFORE, I'VE ALERTED FLOCK ABOUT HIS CAR AND EVERY TIME IT COMES AND HITS A FLOCK CAMERA I WILL GET A NOTIFICATION TELLING ME WHERE HE IS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICERS REQUEST IT TO COVER ALMOST EVERY MAJOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF THE WOODLANDS.

>> AS MOST PEOPLE KNOW IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE POLARIS RANGER AND ALSO THE LIDAR SPEED ENFORCEMENT FOR VEHICLES.

>> IT'S A 2000 MODEL. IT'S QUITE OLD, VERY OUT OF DATE. AND THIS WAS TOP OF THE LINE.

OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GO DOWN FROM THERE, BUT I WANTED TO GO HIGH.

THAT WAY WE GIVE YOU ALL DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

SO THE ONE WE SUBMITTED WAS THE HIGH ONE.

THIS IS AC AND HEAT, THAT WAY DEPENDING ON ANY TYPE OF WEATHER. THEY'RE ALSO UTILIZED FOR THE LARGE EVENTS SUCH AS IRON MAN, LIGHTING OF THE DOVES, THE FOURTH OF JULY, ALSO USED FOR MISSING PERSONS AND PATROL SOME OF THE GREENWAYS IF IT'S NEEDED.

THE LIDARS -- MY APOLOGIES. WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WOODLANDS, THEY'VE TAKEN AWAY THE SHOULDER IN A LOT OF AREAS AND SOME OF THESE AREAS ARE SOME OF OUR WORST SPOTS FOR SPEEDERS.

THE CURRENT RADAR SYSTEM WE HAVE IT GLUED TO THE FRONT AND REAR WINDSHIELD AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET AN ACCURATE SPEED WOULD BE SITTING PARALLEL WITH THE ROADWAY AND WOODLANDS PARKWAY IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

THERE ARE SOME SPOTS THERE YOU CANNOT SIT PARALLEL.

HOWEVER, YOU CAN SIT PERPENDICULAR.

THE LIDAR IS A LASER- BASED RADAR SYSTEM WHERE JUST IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A LASER POINTER AND POINT IT AT SOMETHING, THAT'S EXACTLY THE VEHICLE YOU'RE GOING AFTER AND IT REGISTERS THE SPEED. IT'S HAND HELD.

IT'S BATTERY OPERATED SO IT'S VERY MOBILE.

YOU CAN BE INSIDE THE VEHICLE, OUTSIDE THE

VEHICLE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THAT'S GREAT.

>> OKAY. WE MOVE TO OUR SECOND BUDGET INITIATIVE WHICH IS THE REQUEST FROM THE HARRIS COUNTY CONSTABLE PRECINCT FOUR. THEY ARE REQUESTING AN INCREASE OF TWO POSITIONS INCREASING FROM 15 TO 17 DEPUTIES IN THAT DIVISION.

THE TOTAL COST OF ADDING THOSE TWO PERSONNEL IS $251,000, SO THAT WOULD BRING THEIR TOTAL BUDGET FROM 2. 3 UP TO A LITTLE OVER $2. 5 MILLION.

AND, AGAIN, THEIR CONTRACT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE JUST BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THEY'RE A TURNKEY SO THE PRICE THEY CHARGE INCLUDES -- OR THAT WE CONTRACT WITH INCLUDES ALL OF THOSE DEPUTY COSTS PLUS THE VEHICLE.

IT'S JUST ONE COST FOR EACH ONE.

THAT'S HOW WE'VE DONE THAT ONE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE?

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>> NO.

>> OKAY, SO BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT ON THE BUDGET INITIATIVES RELATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE WOULD BE LOOKING -- IF THE BOARD MOVED FORWARD WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, A TOTAL INCREASE OF ABOUT $3. 7 MILLION, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE INCREASE IN THE BASE BUDGET BEFORE WE DO ANY INITIATIVES IS 2. 2 MILLION. THE BUDGET INITIATIVES REQUESTED BY MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHICH DO NOT INCLUDE THOSE FOUR NEW POSITIONS THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 400. I HAVE NOT INCLUDED THOSE IS AT 1. 2 MILLION. HARRIS COUNTY CONSTABLE IS AT 250 SO WE ARE -- THAT IS A TOTAL OF ABOUT $3. 7 MILLION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY BUT MONTGOMERY COUNTY, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS CHANGING THEIR SYSTEM AND SO THAT IS GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY CAUSE USUS TO INCUR A $250,000 INCREASE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

>> WHY IS THAT NOW?

>> IT'S THEIR SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT THEY ARE USING TO COMMUNICATE. I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF IS HERE, BUT HE CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL ON IT.

I DO KNOW THAT'S THAT. WHEN YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, I JUST WANT TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK THAT WE ARE NOW UP TO ALMOST $3 MILLION OUT OF THE $5 MILLION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

>> ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS FROM THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, PRECINCT THREE?

>> THERE ARE NOT. THERE WAS AN INITIAL ONE BUT THAT HAS BEEN RESCINDED FOR NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL COME FORWARD AGAIN BUT IT WAS NOT READY TO PRESENT TODAY.

>> OKAY.

>> THERE'S NOT A REQUEST FROM CONSTABLE GOEBEL?

>> NOT READY FOR TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE ONE OR NOT. WE'RE WAITING TO HERE BUT NOT READY FOR TODAY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. SO NEXT I'M GOING TO MOVE TO THE REQUEST FROM MOUNTED PATROL. THEIR REQUEST IS TO INCREASE FROM 387 HOURS PER WEEK, THAT IS UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT. THAT CONTRACT EXPIRES, I BELIEVE, AT THE END OF '26, I BELIEVE.

'27? '26, THANK YOU.

SO THAT IS AN INCREASE IN WEEKLY HOURS OF 208 HOURS AND AN INCREASE IN ANNUAL HOURS OF 10,800.

THE CHART THAT YOU SEE THERE, THE YELLOW LINE REPRESENTS ARE THE 387 HOURS ON A CONTRACT BASIS. THE GREEN LINE REPRESENTS THE HOURS THAT WERE ACTUALLY WORKED IN 2024.

THE PURPLISH LINE REPRESENTS THE HOURS THAT WERE WORKED -- THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKED IN 2025. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ALL OF THIS IS WITHIN THE CONTRACT. THEY ARE ALLOWED A 10% VARIANCE FROM THE 387 AND EVEN ON THE WEEKS WHERE THEY WORK LESS THAN 387 THEY CONSISTENTLY ARE WITHIN THE 10% ALLOWANCE.

SO HERE IS A LOOK AGAIN HISTORICALLY FROM THEIR BUDGET. THE BOARD DID APPROVE AN INCREASE IN HOURLY RATES FROM 2024 THAT RESULTED IN ABOUT A 218 OR AN 18. 1% INCREASE, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE REFLECTED THERE.

WITH JUST THEIR STANDARD -- AND IT'S NOT A STANDARD 4%, IT'S TIED TO THE CPI BUT A 4% INCREASE. THE BUDGET INITIATIVE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE BUDGET BY AN ADDITIONAL $644,000 SO IT WOULD BRING IT UP TO $2. 1 MILLION OR 43.6% INCREASE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THERE? WITH THAT I WILL ASK RUTH ANN TO PRESENT THE TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

SO I WILL BE PRESENTING THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS TODAY THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION AROUND THESE THREE IDEAS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE TROLLEY ROUTE EXPANSION. THE SECOND ONE IS THE CHARTER TROLLEY SERVICE, AND THE LAST IS THE MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM. JUST ONE NOTE THERE'S A LOT OF DATA IN THESE SLIDES. IT WASN'T TO DIGEST IT ALL RIGHT AWAY. IT'S TAKE HOME, LOOK AT AND CONSIDER, OF COURSE. I WON'T BE GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DETAIL BUT BUT IT'S THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

SO JUST QUICKLY TO GIVEYOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SPENDING ON TRANSIT IN THE WOODLANDS, WE HAVE DIFFERENT BUCKETS HERE.

THE MAIN TWO ARE THE WOODLANDS EXPRESS SERVICE AND YOU CAN SEE THE ONE COLUMN THERE IS THE COST

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YOU CAN SEE OUR ANNUAL RIDERSHIP.

WE HAVE CLOSE TO 300,000 ON THE WOODLANDS EXPRESS.

200,000 ON THE TROLLEY. THEN WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TWO SERVICES THAT WE DO NOT RUN BUT WE DO HELP FUND WITH LOCAL DOLLARS WHICH IS THE INTERFAITH- SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AS WELL AS PROVIDE FUNDING TO MEALS ON WHEELS-MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

I ALSO HAVE THAT WE DO HAVE A TRANSIT CONSULTING BUDGET WITH THE GOODMAN CORPORATION. THE NEXT COLUMN OVER YOU SEE THE NET COST TO TOWNSHIP. THAT IS AFTER WE'VE GONE AND APPLIED ALL THE FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF COST SHARE PARTNERSHIP.

WE HAVE THE ENERGY CORRIDOR FOR THEIR SPECIFIC RUN.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL IDEA WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT -- THE COST OF THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT $7 MILLION AND THE TOWNSHIP COST IS 1. 3 OF THAT BY LEVERAGING GRANT FUND AND A LITTLE BIT OF THOSE LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS.

>> EXCUSE ME --

>> YES?

>> YOU DON'T HAVE A COLUMN FOR REVENUE THAT COMES IN FOR THE EXPRESS BUS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS?

>> IF YOU SEE THE FUNDING SOURCES, I HAVE FARE REVENUE THERE. WE DO NOT CHARGE FOR THE TROLLEYS, THEY'RE FREE.

FOR THE WOODLANDS IT'S AROUND

$2.5 MILLION FOR THE YEAR. >> DO YOU SEE THAT CHANGING IN THE FUTURE?

>> NOT SUBSTANTIALLY. WE PROJECT, JUST RULE OF THUMB, ABOUT 5%ISH GROWTH IN RIDERSHIP YEAR OVER YEAR SO A 5ISH PERCENTAGE GROWTH OF FARE REVENUE. THE ONLY THING THAT COULD MOVE THE NEEDLE IS A FARE INCREASE.

IF YOU WENT FROM $15 TO $16. 50, THAT WOULD MOVE THAT NEEDLE.

>> HOW WAS '24 COMPARED TO PRE-COVID?

>> SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAD CLOSER TO 550,000 RIDERS PRIOR TO COVID ON THE WOODLANDS EXPRESS. WE HAVE TRITE-SIZED THE SERVICE, SO WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF RUNS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

WE BUILT UP SOME OF THOSE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT WE ARE NOT FULLY BACK TO WHERE WE WERE ON THE SCHEDULE SO BOTH THE REVENUE AND OVERALL COST IS DOWN ON THAT.

SO ABOUT 500,000. THE TROLLEY HAS GROWN OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 200,000 IS THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP WE'VE EVER SEEN IN THAT PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MM-HMM. I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT INTERFAITH AND MEALS ON WHEELS, THEIR NUMBERS ARE ALSO SUPPRESSED FROM PRE- COVID AND THEY'VE BEEN SLOWLY BUILDING BACK UP AS WELL AS MORE PEOPLE ARE MORE COMFORTABLE COMING OUT OF THEIR HOMES IN THAT RESPECT.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW REAL QUICK WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CURRENT TROLLEY SERVICE. HERE IS OUR TROLLEY TROLLEY MAP.

A QUICK PLUG THAT WE HAVE A NEW TROLLEY TRACKER SO CAN YOU GO ONLINE, SELFISH PLUG.

AREAS SERVED ARE TOWN CENTER, WOODLANDS MALL AND WATER WAY.

WE HAVE TWO TIMES THAT WE RUN TROLLEYS.

SOMETIMES WE RUN THREE AND WHEN WE SEE THAT WE HAVE A BIG EARLY DEMAND THURSDAYS, WEEKENDS, THAT KIND OF TIME, WE RUN FOUR. IT DOES CHANGE THE HEADWAY T.

YOU HAVE TO WAIT LONGER WHEN THERE ARE ONLY THREE TROLLEYS OUT THERE. AND OUR STOPS WITH THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP ARE THE CHEESECAKE FACTORY HUGHES LANDING WHERE YOU WOULD DRAW THE MOST PARKING, THE PARKING GARAGE IN HUGHES LANDING AND THE PARKING AROUND THE MALL AND THEN THE PAVILION SOUTH SIDE WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE GET OFF THERE TO ENJOY THE WATERWAY.

SO MOVING INTO THE NEW SERVICES FOR CONSIDERATION, THE MAP HERE IS SHOWN FOR OUR TRANSIT STUDY FROM 2024, THE PROPOSED GROGAN'S ROUTE. IT DOES ENHANCE CONNECTIVITY.

WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS MOVING DOWN THERE AND THE LIBRARY. IT WOULD ENHANCE SOME ACCESSIBILITY FOR THOSE WITHOUT CAR ACCESS. THERE'S AMPLE PARKING LOT IN THAT VICINITY, BUT FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CARS, THEY COULD RIDE THE TROLLEY.

POTENTIAL INCREASE IN FOOT TRAFFIC AND COULD REDUCE EMISSIONS BECAUSE OF REDUCED CAR TRIPS.

THAT'S SOMETHING IF WE WOULD GO AFTER CONGESTION, MITIGATION AIR QUALITY GRANT FUNDS, THAT'S JUST A POINT OF NOTE. THE CONS ARE THAT REALLY IF YOU LOOKED AT OUR MAP HERE AND THE CURRENT TROLLEY, THE ORANGE DOTS ARE STOPS, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET ON AND OFF.

IT'S FROM POINT A TO POINT B SO THERE'S JUST LESS, LOWER RIDERSHIP PER MILE BECAUSE LESS PEOPLE ARE GETTING ON AND OFF.

YOU HAVE LONGER MILES THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE SOMEONE

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LOW RIDERSHIP IF THE SERVICE ISN'T FREQUENT ENOUGH.

THAT'S JUST TRANSIT PLANNING 101. THE FREQUENCY OF THE SERVICES, THE MAJOR DRIVER OF DEMAND FOR SERVICE USAGE OF SERVICE IS REALLY -- HOW OFTEN IS IT? CAN I DRIVE MY CAR FASTER? THAT'S KIND OF WHEN IT GOES. COST PER STOP, AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE THE TWO STOPS AS OPPOSED TO THE 20 THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN CENTER, AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO UTILIZEUTILIZE GRANT FUNDS FOR THIS, THEN IT TAKES THAT POT OF MONEY AND DIVIDES IT UP A LITTLE MORE, SMALLER SLICES OF THE PIE. THIS SLIDE REALLY IS TO SHOW THE COVERAGE OF THE PROPOSED ROUTE.

YOU SEE THE NUMBER OF HOTELS THAT WOULD BE SERVED FROM EXISTING ROUTE WHICH IS FOUR, INCREASE IT TO FIVE BECAUSE OF THE RESORT. HOTEL BEDS.

THE ONE THING TO NOTE IS THE HOTEL MEETING SPACE BECAUSE YOU ARE PICKING UP THE CONFERENCE CENTER DOWN AT THE RESORT, SO THAT INCREASES BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MARRIOTT UP IN TOWN CENTER.

>> COULD WE -- QUESTION, COULD WE ALSO GO TO THE ACTUAL RESORT RESORT, DRIVE INTO THE RESORT AND PICK THEM UP THERE AND ADD THAT TO THIS LOOP AS WELL?

>> IT'S A POTENTIAL. IT WOULD ADD TIME, OF COURSE, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONFIGURE SOME OF THE NUMBERS BUT IT COULD BE LOOKED INTO.

>> I JUST THINK LAST YEAR, CORRECT ME, OUR TOP HOTEL LAST YEAR AS FAR AS NUMBER OF NIGHTS STAYED, I JUST THINK HAVING THAT ROUTE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THE PAVILION OR BACK OR SHOPPING WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION IF WE COULD WORK THAT

OUT. >> YEAH.

AND WHEN WE GET TO THE MICRO TRANSIT WE DO HAVE A SOLUTION THERE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL THAT I CAN GET INTO. AND THEN YOU SEE THAT THE POPULATION INCREASES QUITE DRAMATICALLY FROM 9,000 TO 16,000, SO YOU'RE PICKING UP A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THEN IN THE PARA TRANSIT AREA. LOOKING AT COSTS WE RAN THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCENARIOS, EITHER ONE, TWO OR FOUR TROLLEYS, WHICH WOULD GIVE US COMPARABLE SERVICE LEVELS TO THE EXISTING TOWN CENTER ROUTE. IT'S THE SAME MILEAGE.

IT'S FOUR AND A HALF MILES FOR THE CURRENT TOWN CENTER ROUTE, FOUR AND A HALF MILES TO GET DOWN AND BACK ON THIS GROGAN'S MILL ROUTE. THE PRICING FOR THE FOUR TROLLEYS IS COMPARABLE, IT'S DUPLICATING, DOUBLING THE SERVICE.

THE SAME SERVICE AMOUNT WE'RE GIVING TO TOWN CENTER AT THE MOMENT AND THEN THE NUMBERS JUSTJUST KIND OF REDUCE THERE DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF TROLLEYS. JUST UP AT THE TOP YOU SEE THE HEADWAYS. IT MEANS THE TIME YOU HAVE TO WAIT BETWEEN TROLLEYS IS EITHER TEN MINUTES AND IF YOU HAVE ONE TROLLEY RUNNING IT WOULD TAKE 40 MINUTES FOR IT TO TAKE THAT LOOP AND COME BACK TO GET YOU. SO YOU PICK IT UP, YOU HAVE YOUR RIDE DOWN THERE, YOU WAIT 40 MINUTES YOU HAVE TO BE THERE AT LEAST 40 MINUTES AND MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT TROLLEY IF YOU WANT TO HEAD BACK.

LOOKING AT TWO WAYS TO FUND THIS, YOU COULD USE THE FEDERAL FORMULA GRANTS AS WE TALKED ABOUT WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE PIE FOR THE OTHER SERVICES.

AND SO CAN YOU SEE THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROGRAMS, DEPENDING NUMBER OF TROLLEYS YOU CHOOSE AND THEN THE NET COST OF THE TOWNSHIP IS NEXT TO IT. ONE THING TO NOTE HERE WE DO NOT KNOW YET WHAT THE PARATRANSIT DEMAND WOULD BE AND SO THERE WOULD BE AN INHERENT COST WITH THAT BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED AS ONE OF THE STRINGS WITH THE FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, WE'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE ANYONE WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR THAT PROGRAM A RIDE ANYWHERE WITHIN THE PARATRANSIT AREA.

AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

IF YOU WANTED TO CIRCUMVENT THAT PROGRAM, WE HAVE GREAT SERVICE WITH INTERFAITH, MEALS ON WHEELS, AND YOU SAID WE WANT TO FOREGO THAT ADDITIONAL EXPENSE, THEN THERE'S THE OPTION OF USING TOWNSHIP FUNDS TO FULLY FUND THIS PROGRAM AS WELL.

JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE IS THAT OPTION SO THERE'S LESS FEDERAL STRINGS. SPEAKING OF PARATRANSIT, NOT THE PRETTIEST MAP, BUT IT GETS THE POINT ACROSS, THE RED KIDNEY BEAN SHAPE IS WHAT OUR CURRENT PARATRANSIT AREA IS, AND THEN THAT BLACK AREA THAT DROPS DOWN IS WHERE ADDITIONAL PARATRANSIT SERVICE WOULD OCCUR. IT WENT FROM 9,000 TO 16,000 AND SO WE'RE ADDING IN AN ADDITIONAL 7,000, 7,500 RESIDENTS AVAILABLE FOR A PARATRANSIT PROGRAM, AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE WOULD JUST TAKE THEM TO THE TROLLEY ROUTE AND THEY GET ON THE TROLLEY.

IF SOMEBODY ASKED FOR A RIDE FROM THEIR HOME IN GROGAN'S MILL TO THE TARGET, WE PROVIDE THEM A RIDE FROM THEIR HOME TO TARGET AND THENTHEN HOME AGAIN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST FOR US TO GO AND PROCURE CONTRACTED PARATRANSIT SERVICE BUT THE GROWING RATE WHEN WE TALKED TO INTERFAITH AND MEALS ON WHEELS CAN BE $2830 TO $50

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THESE ARE THE ADDITIONAL COSTS. ONE- TIME COST OF PURCHASING A VEHICLE FOR THEM. MEALS ON WHEELS DID ASK, THEY WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED DRIVER, AND THAT'S THE DRIVER'S SALARY THEY ASKED. MONTGOMERY COUNTY DID NOT COME FORWARD IN ANY ADDITIONAL SERVICE BUT REITERATED THEY HAVE A GOLDEN GO THAT PROVIDES SERVICE THREE DAYS A WEEK.

>> IT'S MY RECOLLECTION, RUTH ANN, I BELIEVE IT'S OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR THAT THE FUNDS THAT INTERFAITH HAD NOT USED IN THEIR PREVIOUS BUDGET IN 2024 THAT THOSE FUNDS WERE ALLOCATED FOR SOME TYPE OF BUS OR TRANSPORTATION PERHAPS, DR.

NOONES? >> I THINK THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THAT $20,000 BASED ON WOULD THE BOARD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OR OTHER OPTIONS THEY WANT TO EXPLORE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. I THINK THEY'RE IN A HOLDING PATTERN. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO MISSY IS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ARE ACTUALLY RAISING FUNDS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DO WE CURRENTLY PICK UP AT DIFFERENT APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND BRING THEM TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER NOW?

>> THE WOODLANDS TOWNSHIP DOES NOT. I BELIEVE INTERFAITH AND MEALS ON WHEELS DOES TO THE CAPACITY THAT THEY HAVE FUNDS, STAFF, DRIVERS, VEHICLES AVAILABLE, TOO.

>> SO THIS WOULD BE A TOTALLY NEW INITIATIVE FOR US?

>> THIS WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT OF THEIR SERVICES.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM WITH THE FIXED BUS ROUTE, A GUARANTEED FIVE DAYS A WEEK WE WOULD BE COMING BY YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX AT 10:00 A.M. TO PICK YOU UP AND TAKE YOU TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> I GUESS THERE'S A LOT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

>> YES.

>> HOW DO THEY DECIDE WHICH APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR THIS?

>> THEY DID NOT DELVE INTO THAT IN THEIR PROPOSAL BUT WE CAN FIND OUT FROM THEM.

>> I BELIEVE THEIR PRIMARY ARE THE SENIOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES, ESPECIALLY THE, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SECTION 8, A HANDFUL OF THEM IN PANTHER CREEK, GROGAN'S MILLS WHERE THE SERVICES ARE NEEDED THE MOST TO GET THOSE FOLKS OUT.

>> PROBABLY WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY PICKING UP?

>> YES.

>> SO THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT SECTION 8 HOUSING?

>> AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE- CHECK WITH THEM ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE THINKING.

IT'S PROBABLY BASED ON WHERE THEY GET A LOT OF CALLS AND REQUESTS AND DEMAND.

>> WELL, THE ONE THAT'S THE BIG ONE IS THE VILLAGE ON THE WATERWAY WHICH IS CURRENTLY WALKABLE, BUT AS SOON AS THE LIBRARY MOVES, IT'S NO LONGER WALKABLE. THAT'S ONE THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. I THINK THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

>> SOME OF THESE PLACES HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION.

>> I JUST SAID THAT, I THINK THEY DO.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL NO

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I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN COMING FROM THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THE SAME EASE THAT THEY HAVE NOW. SO THIS DOESN'T REALLY -- I DON'T THINK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE LIVING THAT WILL EXCLUDE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A SECTION 8. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.

>> WE WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK.

I'M SURE IF WE WERE PROVIDING FUNDS TO MEALS ON WHEELS AND INTERFAITH AND REQUESTED CERTAIN AREAS THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.

>> I GET CONCERNED WHEN WE START PICKING WHICH ONES WE WANT TO PICK UP AND WHICH ONES WE DON'T.

THERE'S A SENIOR LIVING CENTER RIGHT BY MY HOUSE --

>> YES!

>> -- THAT'S GETTING NO RIDES TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> MAYBE THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO, TOO.

EXACTLY.

>> I GET NERVOUS WHEN WE GET INVOLVED, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PICK UP THE SENIOR CENTER ON THE WATERWAY AND NOT SOMEONE

ELSE. >> WELL, NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

I SAID THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S BEING -- THAT HAD ACCESS AND NOW IT WON'T HAVE ACCESS.

NOW THERE WILL BE MORE THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS.

>> HOW DO THEY GET TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER NOW IF THEY'RE NOT WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE?

>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE ASKED THEM.

WE ASKED THE DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO HELP US FIND OUT. WE HAD NOT GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION.

>> IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT, WE DID NOT MOVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> NO, WE DID NOT.

>> WE HAD NO DEAL IN THAT DEAL. IT'S NOT LIKE WE MOVED IT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CANNOT GET TO IT.

THERE'S ANOTHER DAIS YOU NEED TO TALK TO.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> BUT THESE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS, AND WE ARE TRYING TO -- WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM READY FOR TODAY, BUT WE WILL FOR THE AUGUST MEETING HAVE MORE INFORMATION.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE END OF THE PART OF THE PRESENTATION ON GROGAN'S MILLS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE TROLLEY CHARTER PROGRAM. SO CHANGING GEARS WE'RE GOING INTO THE TROLLEY CHARTER SERVICE, SAY THAT TEN TIMES FAST. SO WHEN WE LAST SPOKE, WE SPOKE ABOUT HOW IF WE WENT OUT AND FOUND OUT IF THERE WAS ANY COMPETITION AND THERE WAS NO COMPETITION, THEN WE COULD USE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THIS. SO WE WENT THROUGH THE FEDERAL PROCESS OF PUTTING OUT FOR PUBLIC NOTICE AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST.

WE GOT NO EXPRESSION OF INTEREST WHICH INDICATES TO US THAT THERE IS NO ONE OUT THERE WHO CAN DO WHAT WE DO WITH RUBBER WHEEL, VINTAGE LOOKING TROLLEYS IN THE AREA. THAT MEANS WE HAVE THE OPTION, WE CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICE USING LOCAL FUNDS, PAY OFF THE TRALIES AND JUST USE LOCAL FUNDS OR WE HAVE THE OPTION NOW, THE GREEN BOX THERE OF USING FEDERAL FUNDS TO RUN A CHARTER SERVICE WITH THE TROLLEYS, RENT THEM OUT.

>> HOW WILL THAT AFFECT WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO?

>> IT COMES DOWN TO RESOURCE AVAILABILITY. WHEN THE NEW TROLLEYS COME, WE WILL HAVE OLDER TROLLEYS. WE'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE RESOURCE THAT IS WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO CREATE A PROGRAM.

THE LOCAL FUNDED YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON WHAT YOU CAN DO. WE'LL GET INTO THE BUSINESS MODEL. IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THEN WOULD YOU HAVE TO BE USING SOME LOCAL MONEY.

YOU'D HAVE TO PAY BACK FOR THE TROLLEYS AND ALSO JUST THE CURRENT FLEET THEY'RE FEDERALLY FUNDED, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE THE OLD ONES, TAPE THEM TOGETHER STILL OR PURCHASE A NEW TROLLEY EVENTUALLY.

SO THERE'S ALSO THE ADMINISTRATION OF SETTING UP IN A DIFFERENT ACCOUNTING SYSTEM TO KIND OF KEEP THE -- EXCUSE ME, THE FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAMS SEPARATE FROM THE LOCAL.

YOU COULD USE THE FEDERAL FUNDS, THOUGH, THE EXPRESSION OF INTEREST, WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT NOW.

IT'S THE LOWER COST OPTION BECAUSE YOU GET THAT GRANT FUNDING TO COVER SOME OF THE COSTS. STILL THE EXISTING FLEET IS BEYOND USEFUL LIFE. THEY WOULD RUN THE DIRECT ROUTE THAT WE HAVE TO RUN. THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION.

YOU WOULD BE USING THE OLDER TROLLEYS.

LESS FUNDING FOR OTHERS AND THERE'S ALL THE FEDERAL COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT, OF COURSE.

THE ANNUAL COST OF $138,000 A YEAR.

THIS WOULD BE ASSUMING -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEMAND

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THAT'S WHAT WITH STAFFING AND THE AMOUNT OF TROLLEYS AND HOW OLD THEY ARE, WHAT WE THINK WE COULD MANAGE IN A MONTH IS MAYBE TWO PER WEEK. THE REVENUE WILL BE BASED OFF THAT. YOU SEE THE PRICE RANGE NOT ONLY TO COVER COSTS BUT LOOKED AT THE MARKET FOR NOT TROLLEYS BUT OTHER CHARTER TYPE VEHICLES AND WE ESTABLISH THIS PRICING WHICH WE THINK IS REASONABLE. 14 TO 15.

>> YOU THINK THERE'S THAT BIG OF A DEMAND FOR RENTING TROLLEYS?

>> PROMS.

>> 14 TO 15 A MONTH? THAT'S A LOT.

>> I THINK YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE 14, 15 CONSISTENTLY. AS DIRECTOR HEISER SAID, THERE WILL BE PEAK MONTHS WHERE YOU SEE THE CHRISTMASTIME PERIOD . THE PROM SEASON OR HOMECOMING, INSTEAD OF GETTING 14 EVERY SINGLE MONTH YOU'RE GETTING 20S IN MAY AND 20 AT CHRISTMASTIME BUT NOT EVERY MONTH AS A STATIC LEVEL OF SERVICE. THERE WILL BE PEAK DEMAND IN ANY SERVICE YOU HAVE. ONE OF THE OTHER IDEAS THAT RUTH ANN POPPED UP WITHIN THE LAST 24 HOURS IS ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS IS CREATE A PROGRAM AROUND ONE OF THE ORIGINAL IDEAS WAS AROUND HOLIDAY LIGHTS.

MAYBE THERE'S A WAY FOR TWO WEEKS IN DECEMBER WE CAN IDENTIFY REALLY GOOD HOLIDAY LIGHT ROUTE THAT TAKES 90 MINUTES WHERE THEY LOAD UP IN TOWN CENTER, SOME PLACE CENTRAL, WE TAKE THEM INTO THE COMMUNITY AND CHARGE THEM A PER SEAT FARE AND GO THROUGH ALL THIS TYPE OF STUFF THAT WE CAN CONCENTRATE DEMAND IN A SHORT WINDOW, AND THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO MANAGE A PROGRAM OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR IS VERY, VERY CONDENSED AND DOABLE WITHIN A SHORTER TIME PERIOD.

THAT'S AN IDEA -- WE'VE BEEN KICKING IDEAS AROUND FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THAT ONE CAME UP. THANKS, RUTH ANN.

>> WOULD THIS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL OR WOULD WE JUST USE THE CURRENT TROLLEY DRIVERS?

>> WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT.

WE RUN A SEVEN DAY A WEEK PROGRAM WITH THE TROLLEYS.

WE HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR SO, IN EFFECT, SHE HAS TWO DAYS OFF A WEEK BUT SHE DOESN'T BECAUSE SHE'S A SUPERVISOR AND NEEDS TO BE SUPERVISING SO WE ADDED A LEAD DRIVER BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE SUPERVISOR TITLE, SO THERE ARE SOME THAT OVERLAP.

WE MANAGE IT, BUT WE'RE KIND OF AT THAT EDGE WITH THAT.

AND SO WE DID WORK IN ABOUT 8% TO 10% OF A SUPERVISOR'S TIME HERE, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO IS ITIT TIME FOR THE PROGRAM IF WE ADDED SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND IT BECAME VERY SUCCESSFUL, ANOTHER FULL- TIME SUPERVISOR COULD BE USED WITHIN THE CURRENT SERVICE AS WELL AS BEING UTILIZED FOR THIS AS WELL. WE SEE A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS COMING UP ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I RESERVED A TWO- HOUR CHARTER.

CAN I USE ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE AFTERNOON? I WANT TO TAKE MY TROLLEY TO HOUSTON, TO MONTGOMERY, I LEFT SOMETHING ON THE TROLLEY.

WE SEE A LOT OF THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGEMENT THAT MIGHT COME INTO THIS AS WELL. THAT SUPERVISOR COULD HANDLE IT THEN. WE'RE REALLY ON THE EDGE WITH THE PROGRAM. WE'RE ADDING IN ADDITIONAL SUPERVISOR. IF ANY ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS ARE ADDED TO THE PROGRAM OR TRANSIT IN GENERAL, WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF NEEDING THAT.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S 8% OF THEIR TIME BUILT IN BUT IT COULD EXPAND IF THE PROGRAM IS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIES YOU CAN POINT TO THAT DO THIS?

>> SO I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY WITH A TROLLEY SPECIFIC BUT DR. NOONES AND I HAVE SEEN IT WAS BOSTON AND CHICAGO HAVE RENT OUT ONE OF OUR SUBWAY CARS AND HAVE YOUR -- SOME PEOPLE HAVE THEIR WEDDING ON THEM. THEY'RE BIG TRANSIT -- PRO-TRANSIT PEOPLE AND THEY RENT THEM OUT AS A CHARTER LIKE THAT.

>> I ASSUME THEY DO THE RECEPTION IN THE CAR AS WELL?

>> WHO KNOWS?

>> WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YEARS AGO IN OKLAHOMA CITY THAT RENTED A TROLLEY TO TAKE US FROM OKLAHOMA CITY TO A FOOTBALL GAME.

AND RENTED IT FOR THE WHOLE DAY, AND IT WAS

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>> IT'S A TIGHT, TIGHT, TIGHT BUDGET. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE TROLLEY CHARTER BUSINESS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DETAILED BUSINESS PLAN THAN THIS.

I THINK WE'RE BETTING ON THE COMS AND I GET NERVOUS.

>> WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY?

>> I'M JUST LOOKING AT AN ESTIMATED NET REVENUE OF $10,000. IT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK AND HOPE THESE NUMBERS ARE EVEN GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY UNLESS YOU'RE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY. WHEN YOU RENT IT ALL DAY, AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT WAS A MONEYMAKER FOR THEM. I DON'T SEE THIS AS A MONEYMAKER WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ESTIMATED $10,000 FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK INVOLVED. IT WOULD BE FUN. I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULDN'T BE.

>> SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

>> DEFINITELY. WE CAN DIVE DEEPER INTO IT.

IT WAS AN IDEA. I'VE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM PEOPLE PERSONALLY AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE IDEA CAME FROM.

>> WE DO GET QUITE A FEW CALLS REQUESTING THE TROLLEYS.

>> WE NEED BOATS. WE HAVE A WATERWAY.

>> OH, GOSH.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON THAT.

>> WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TROLLEYS WHEN WE GET NEW ONES?

>> THAT WILL BE A BOARD DECISION. I THINK WE ARE INTERESTED IN KEEPING A FEW AS THE DEPARTMENT FOR SPARE PARTS, BUT IT WILL BE A DECISION FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE ON EITHER KEEPING THEM, UTILIZING THEM, SELLING THEM.

WE WILL PROBABLY, ONCE THE NEW TROLLEYS ARE DELIVERED, COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PRESENTATION FOR DECISION MAKING.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THIS WAS WELL DONE. THANK YOU, RUTH ANN.

>> NOW WE HAVE A MECHANIC FOR THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEY CAN HELP THEM ANOTHER 12 YEARS.

>> I WILL GIVE THEM A BIG

SHOUTOUT. >> IT'S SHOCKING TO ME.

UNTIL I GET ON THIS BOARD I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MANY PEOPLE RIDE AND I SEE PEOPLE STANDING IN LINE TO GET ON THE TROLLEY.

IT'S INCREDIBLE.

>> IT'S AN EXPERIENCE.

>> GREAT RIDERSHIP.

>> IT'S GREAT. IT'S UNIQUE TO THE WOODLANDS.

ICONIC. SO MOVING ON TO MICROTRANSIT, THIS IS SIMILAR INFORMATION THAT WE'VE PRESENTED IN THE PAST BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, MICRO TRANSIT IS A FLEXIBLE ON- DEMAND SERVICE THAT BLENDS ASPECTS BUT WITH PRIVATE RIDE HAILING SERVICES.

IT UTILIZES SMALLER VEHICLES LIKE VANS OR SHUTTLES OR E- VEHICLES LIKE YOU SEE HERE. AND THEN IT ALSO LEVERAGES TECHNOLOGY TO HELP WITH DYNAMIC ROUTING, IS WHAT IT'S CALLED, AND SCHEDULING BASED ON REAL- TIME DEMAND. TYPICALLY IT'S SERVICED WITHIN A GEO FENCED AREA. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT WOULD INCLUDE TOWN CENTER AND HUGHES LANDING.

REITERATING THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION FROM A FREEH SLIDE ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY, THE SHORTER TRIPS, IMPROVING THE CONNECTIVITY, IT'S DATA DRIVEN OPTIMIZATION AND THEN ON THE CON SIDE HIGHER OPERATING COSTS BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING LESS PEOPLE IN A VEHICLE.

YOU GET 25 IN A TROLLEY, YOU GET MAX SIX.

SCALEABILITY CHALLENGE DURING HIGH-PEAK HOURS, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES. THERE MIGHT BE MORE DEMAND IN HIGH- TRAFFIC AREAS. YOU'VE REALLY GOT TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FIXED STOP LIKE A TROLLEY STOP OR A PARK AND RIDE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY'RE MORE MOBILE AND LIGHT WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER SO YOU HAVE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE VISITING THAT THIS EXISTS, COMPETING AGAINST UBERS AND LYFT. AGAIN, IF YOU UTILIZE THE FUNDING FOR THIS, YOU'RE SLICING UP THAT PIE AGAIN.

AS PARK AND RIDE EXISTING TROLLEY, ET CETERA.

LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT FUNDING MODELS AND ESTIMATES, AGAIN, THIS IS CALLED FULL TURNKEY SO WE COULD HAVE OPERATIONAL, CAPITAL, VEHICLES, MAINTENANCE, ALL THAT HAVE WOULD BE TO A CONTRACTED SERVICE UNLIKE WHAT WE DO CURRENTLY WITH OUR CURRENT SERVICES.

CURRENT MODEL WITH THESE PRICESPRICES FREE TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU CAN ALWAYS CHARGE BUT WE BUILT THE MODEL AROUND BEING FREE. WE WOULD ASK FOR ABOUT $40,000 FOR THAT MARKETING TO GET THE WORD OUT. YOU WANT TO HIT SOCIAL MEDIA HARD WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACCESSING THEIR PHONES TO GET THE VEHICLES, SO YOU WANT TO HIT THEM WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AND ALSO BUILT IN SOME FUNDS TO HAVE THE GOODMAN CORPORATION ASSIST WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS. IT WOULD BE A NEW KIND OF PRODUCT, I WOULD SAY, AND THEY HAVE EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THESE KIND OF MICROTRANSIT DEMAND RESPONSE SO HELPING US WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR GET THAT OFF THE GROUND.

THIS WOULD REQUIRE, WE THINK, A SUPERVISOR LEVEL POSITION ADDED TO THE DEPARTMENT DUE TO, AGAIN, I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE CHARTER AND THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT COULD COME UP, SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE REQUESTS ON WANTING TO NOLL MORE ABOUT THIS AS WELL AS NEEDING CONTRACT OVERSIGHT.

THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AGAIN AND SO

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BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT YOU WOULD COVER AND THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, THERE WOULDN'T BE AS MANY. ONE IDEA WITH THIS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS MAP, YOU SEE THE GEOFENCED AREA IN BLUE, THE TOWN CENTER AND UP TO HUGHES LANDING, POINTS OF INTEREST WITH THE RESORT AND DURING THE GROGAN'S MILLS VILLAGE CENTER TWO POINTS OF INTEREST WHERE THE VEHICLES COULD TAKE PEOPLE DOWN TO OR PICK THEM UP FROM, SO SINGLE POINTS AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF THE BLUE AREAS, I'LL COME AND GET YOU.

THE TWO POINTS OF INTEREST, I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE RESORT TO TOWN CENTER OR I'LL PICK YOU UP FROM GROGAN'S MILLS AND TAKE YOU TO TOWN.

THAT'S AN OPTION WE COULD PUT IN THE PROPOSALS WE WANT TO ADD THE TWO POINTS OF INTEREST.

>> WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF EACH ONE?

>> IT REALLY VARIES, DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF VEHICLE WE CHOOSE. ANYTHING FROM AN SUV TO A SIX TO EIGHT PASSENGER ELECTRIC VEHICLE, SOME OF THEM -- THEY ALL NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE ADA ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE IN THE AREA SO IT REALLY -- LET ME GO BACK TO THIS. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT WE CHOOSE. IT COULD BE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT SOME OFFER SUVS AS WELL, MINIVANS, THOSE KIND OF VEHICLES.

>> WHAT WERE THE TIME FRAMES? IF I REMEMBER THEY WERE PRETTY LONG TIME FRAMES COMPARED TO WHEN I USED THEM IN FORT LAUDERDALE THEY WERE MORE LIKE 11 TO 10 AND I THINK OURS WENT A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT.

>> YEAH, THEY WERE GOING MORE OF A 12 TO 14 HOUR DAY.

>> THESE COSTS ARE ON THE 12 TO 14 HOUR DAYS.

>> CORRECT. YOU CAN PLAY ALONG WITH THAT AND REQUEST ON PROPOSALS FOR REDUCED TIME WE COULD JUST DO WEEKENDS.

>> IF THERE IS A CHARGE, RUTH ANN, HOW DOES THAT SYSTEM WORK?

>> I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE COMPANY WE WORK WITH.

THERE MIGHT BE AN IDEA WE WOULD GATHER THE FUNDS AND THE FARE THROUGH THEIR APP AND THEN THEY WOULD DO A REMITTANCE TO US AND JUST PROVIDE US WITH THE FARE.

>> HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THOSETHOSE THERE WHERE THERE IS A FARE IN THESE ELECTRIC

VEHICLES? >> I BELIEVE THE FORT BEN PROGRAM CHARGES FARE THROUGH A COMPANY THAT IS RUNNING IT FOR

THEM. >> IS THAT THE SAME COMPANY THAT RUNS THE SAN ANTONIO TRANSIT?

>> IT'S DIFFERENT ACTUALLY. VIA TRANSIT AND SAN ANTONIO IS THEIR PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENCY. VIA IS A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT'S DOING MICROTRANSIT.

>> HAVE YOU HEARD OF RIDE BEEP?

>> I HAVE NOT HEARD OF RIDE BEEP.

>> A GENTLEMAN TOLD ME, WHO IS INVOLVED IN THIS SORT OF THING, MOVING PEOPLE IN TOWN CENTERS AROUND THE COUNTRY, HE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALSO BEING OUT OF FLORIDA.

>> OH, OKAY.

>> SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

>> SUGARLAND IS A BIG COMPETITOR OF OURS WHEN WE LOOK AT TOURISM. IS IT SUCCESSFUL DOWN THERE? IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO BENCHMARK OFF OF?

>> IT JUST STARTED ABOUT A MONTH AGO, SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE RIDERSHIP DATA QUITE YET, BUT I KEEP AN EYE ON IT AND I CAN ASK MY CONTACT AT THE CITY OF

SUGARLAND HOW IT'S GOING. >> IS SUGARLAND DOING THIS IN ADDITION TO THE GONDOLA?

>> THE GONDOLA IS A PROPOSAL PLAN.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE SECURED ANY FUNDING FOR THAT YET. THIS IS -- THE MICROTRANSIT IS A PROGRAM BEING FUNDED NOT JUST BY THE CITY OF SUGARLAND BUT FORT BEN COUNTY AS WELL AS HOUSTON/GALVESTON FUNDS SO THEY'VE KOBLD TOGETHER A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FUND TOGS PAY FOR IT.

THEIR AREA IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE $5 MILLION A YEAR PROGRAM.

>> DOES IT GO TO THE AIRPORT?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE IT GOES TO HOBBY, NO.

IT STAYS WITHIN AN AREA, CONSTELLATION FIELD IS WITHIN THAT, THE MALL. UP THERE ON HIGHWAY 6.

>> ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS IS GEOFENCING, IT CAN STAY WITHIN THE WOODLANDS. WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERY HOTEL, EVERY RESTAURANT THEY GO TO IS IN THE WOODLANDS,

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>> TROLLEYS STAY IN THE WOODLANDS, TOO.

>> NOT TO PUT MORE ON YOUR PLATE, BUT I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE THAT WORKS WITH UBER AND WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IN AUSTIN THE WAYMO SELF- DRIVING CARS THEY HAVE THROUGHOUT AUSTIN, AND I SENT HIM -- CHRIS SENT ME A MAP OF THE WOODLANDS AND IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE THERE'S NONE OF THEM ON THE FREEWAYS, INTERSTATES, WE'RE CONFINED TO AN AREA.

THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING A CASE STUDY HERE IN THE WOODLANDS WHERE THEY CAN GO AROUND TOWN.

THEY'RE INCREDIBLE. I THINK THEY'RE CUTTING EDGE.

I THINK WE SHOULD SEND A LETTER TO UBER, JUST EXPRESSING INTEREST AND SHOWING OUR MAP AND LIKE A LITTLE PITCH TO THEM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND SHOWS CUTTING EDGE.

>> HOW WOULD YOU PAY FOR THAT?

>> THE GOOD THING IS UBER PAYS.

>> PROPRIETARY TO UBER.

>> UBER PAYS AND THE CUSTOMERS PAY AND IT'S NO COST TO THE

TOWNSHIP. >> THAT SOUNDS

GREAT. >> A NEW TECHNOLOGY HERE THAT'S FREE, F-R-E-E. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT WITH OUR EXPERIENCE AND ALL THE THINGS WE DO, IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION IF WE COULD SEND A LETTER TO THEM.

>> I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ASK.

>> BECAUSE OF OUR GEOGRAPHIC LAYOUT, WE'RE A PERFECT FIT TO BE ONE OF THEIR PROTOTYPES.

>> THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

>> WHEN YOU DO THAT, THOUGH, YOU CANNOT FENCE -- GEOFENCE THAT. THEY'RE PROPRIETARY.

>> WHENEVER SOMEONE IS OUTSIDE THE AREA, THEY'RE USING THE UBER APP, IT'S NOT EVEN AVAILABLE BECAUSE IT'S GEOFENCED SO THEY CAN'T GET A CAR IF IT'S OUTSIDE THE AREA.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING.

>> GEOFENCING IS FOR THE MICROTRANSIT.

>> UBER IS ALWAYS -- THEY'RE GOING TO WHERE THEY GO, BUT YOU CANNOT -- LIKE IN AUSTIN, YOU CAN'T GO OUT OF THE LOOP ONE AND 35 AREA. THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THEY WILL GO TO SO IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT AND YOU TRY TO GET ONE, IT WILL NOT SHOW UP ON YOUR PHONE AND IT WILL STOP BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF THE AREA.

>> YOU MEAN THE DRIVERLESS?

>> WAYMO.

>> LET'S DO THAT. LET'S FIND OUT.

IN ALL YOUR SPARE TIME.

>> IT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY DOING THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND LESS STAFF WE HAVE TO HIRE AND LESS BENEFITS AND YADA, YADA.

>> SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.

>> YES, THANK YOU. SO THE LAST SLIDE -- THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT REALLY WHAT WE DID WAS SUMMED UP ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR YOU ON ONE SLIDE SO YOU CAN KIND OF COMPARE A TO B TO C WHERE THE COSTS LIE. I WON'T GO THROUGH IT ALL BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED BUT A QUICK SNAP NOT TO TAKE AWAY THE INFORMATION. THE NEXT SLIDES WERE PUT TOGETHER TO SHOW YOU THE IMPACT OF GRANT FUNDING USAGE OVER TIME. IF WE ADD ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS. SO RIGHT HERE IS THE FIRST GRAPH WHICH IS SHOWING OUR BASELINE.

ITS ANNUAL EXPENDITURE, NOT CUMULATIVE ON THE RED LINE AT THE BOTTOM BUT THEN OVER TIME THE CUMULATIE GRANT BALANCE AND HOW WE'RE MANAGING THAT FOR THE LONG- TERM VIABILITY OF THE PROGRAM AND SUSTAINABILITY.

WE WANT TO ENSURE THERE'S PLENTY OF GRANT FUNDING YEAR OVER YEAR FOR US TO HAVE A VERY STABLE BUDGET AND ENSURE THAT WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF A TOWNSHIP CONTRIBUTION NEEDS TO COME IN AND HOW MUCH THE GRANTS WE CAN PROVIDE EACH YEAR.

AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE GOT THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT CREDITS AND INTEGRATED THOSE IN, TOO, WE WERE ENSURING WE WERE UTILIZING THEM AT A SUSTAINABLE RATE.

SO WE JUST WANT TO SHOW THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT SERVICE, THE WOODLANDS EXPRESS AT 5 MILLIONISH AND THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES. IF WE ADD ONE PROGRAM ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM OF EITHER MICROTRANSIT OR THE GROGAN'S MILL TROLLEY YOU SEE THE LINE OF THE CUMULATIVE GRANT BALANCE STARTS TO GO DOWN A LOT FASTER AND THEN THE NEXT ONE SHOWS HOW MUCH QUICKER IT GOES DOWN. IF YOU'RE ADDING BOTH PROGRAMS, SO IF YOU'RE ADDING $2 MILLION MORE OF SERVICE EVERY YEAR, THAT GRANT BALANCE STARTS TO BECOME EXTINGUISHED A LOT FASTER AND SO JUST SHOWING UP THE THREE DIFFERENT -- THE BASELINE THERE IN GREEN AND THEN OVER TIME THE ONE PROGRAM OR TWO PROGRAMS OF WHAT÷÷WHAT OCCUR TO THAT OVERALL POT OF GRANT FUNDING AVAILABLE TO US OVER TIME.

>> AND I'LL JUMP IN HERE WITH MY FINANCE HAT ON. JUST A BUNCH OF GRAPHS HERE AND THIS IS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL AND WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, A FREE SERVICE IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS WAS.

IF WE TALK ABOUT USING GRANT FUNDS TO FUND ONE OF THE THOSE WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PLANNING RETREAT, IT TAKES THAT GRANT BALANCE DOWN AND IF THIS GETS REALLY COMPLICATED AND WONKY, SO I WILL NOT GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT IT, BUT WE VERY, VERY CAREFULLY MANAGE OUR GRANT BALANCE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM. YOU CANNOT JUST LOOK TWO

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SO THIS IS REALLY A SIMPLE GRAPH BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ALL THE ANALYSIS THAT GOES BEHIND .

>> THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE OF MY PRESENTATION.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSIT.

>> THANK YOU, RUTH ANN.

VERY GOOD. ALWAYS WELL DONE.

>> WELL, I'VE GOT EIGHT MORE BUDGET INITIATIVES AND WE HAVE 40 MINUTES, ALL JOKING ASIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF BIG PROJECTS MUCH LIKE RUTH ANN TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE FOR CONSIDERATION, THE FIRST SERIES IS THE BIKE AND PATH LANE -- BIKE LANE PROJECTS. ALL OF THIS IS COMING FROM YOUR BIKE MASTER PLAN AND TO BOARD'S CREDIT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW YEARS THEY PUT SIGNIFICANT DOLLARSDOLLARS VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE FINISHING UP FROM ALL THE WAY FROM 1488 DOWN TO THE SOUTH PART OF CREEKSIDE FORCE AND FINISHING UP THAT PATHWAY AND PUTTING ASIDE DOLLARS FOR THE 242 PATHWAY. THOSE WERE TWO LARGE STRETCHES THAT WERE PART OF THE OVERALL BIKE PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN THAT ARE SEEING SOME -- FINISHED OR SEEING SOME LIGHT AND GETTING DONE AND ARE BUDGETED AND ARE IN PROGRESS BUT REALLY KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT SERIES OF PROJECTS BECAUSE THE BOARD ASKED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR ARE THERE VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT COULD BE FUNDED WITH TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE GRANTS OR OTHER FUNDING AND REALLY TRYING TO WORK IN COLLABORATIVELY IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS THAT MIGHT FIT THE BILL THAT ARE GOOD FITS FOR IT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING A LOT ABOUT, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, A BIKE LANE, AND THAT IS ALONG LAKEWOOD LANDS THAT I WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CONSCIOUS ON THE TERM BIKE LANE. TRADITIONALLY A BIKE LANE IS A SEPARATE LANE OF TRAFFIC THAT IS SEPARATED BY TWO, THREE, FOUR FEET TO PROVIDE SOMETIMES A BARRIER BETWEEN THE LANE OF TRAFFIC.

TO REMOVE THE BULB OUTS ON A LOT OF OUR SECONDARY ROADS TO REALLY PROVIDE A BIKE LANE. WE'LL JUST CALL IT CONTINUOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC, THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO IS RIDING A BIKE ON THE SHOULDER DOES NOT HAVE TO JET INTO THE LANE OF TRAFFIC ESPECIALLY ON LAKEWOOD LANDS TO GET BACK ON TO THAT SHOULDER TO PROVIDE A SAFER ROUTE. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM THAT THROUGH THE SHOULDER RENOVATION PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE DOING, I TOOK A GREAT TOUR OF COCHRANE'S CROSSING LAST NIGHT, KIND OF GETTING SOME MORE IDEAS ON HOW TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO YOU. EVERY INTERSECTION HAS TO BE DESIGNED, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THIS IS GOSLING AND LAKEWOOD LANDS POTENTIALLY WHERE WE HAVE TO DO SOME RECONFIGURATION OF TRAFFIC SAFETY ISLANDS SO WE WOULD PAY FOR THE DESIGN AND POTENTIALLY THERE MAY BE SOME SIGNIFICANT MOVES OF STREET LIGHTS, ELECTRICAL BOXES, SOME ADDITIONAL BOXES THAT MAY BE REQUIRED FROM US BUT A MAJORITY OF THE STUFF CAN BE WORKED THROUGH WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY WITH OUR SUPPORT ON THIS SO REALLY TRYING TO FIND A GREAT COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP ON THIS IDEA SO THERE IS A TASK THAT IS OUT BEING DEVELOPED THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS. NOW THIS GOES INTO THE NEXT LEVEL. THE MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED ALL LOOPS AS SECONDARY CORRIDORS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I TRAVELED ALONG COCHRANE TO FAMILIARIZE MYSELF AND SEE ALL THETHE INTERSECTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TWEAKED, SOME MAJOR AND SOME VERY, VERY MINOR THAT HAVE TO BE TWEAKED TO PROVIDE THAT CONTINUOUS LANE OF IMPROVEMENT. AND SO WHEN YOU SEE $400,000 A MILE, THAT IS YOUR ENGINEERING COST, STRUCTURAL COST, ENGINEERING COST AND THE

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THE OTHER KIND OF PATHWAYS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT MIGHT BE ATTRACTIVE ESPECIALLY FROM A GRANT FUNDING ASPECT, TRANSPORTATIONAL ALTERNATIVES IS THE WOODLANDS PARKWAY PATHWAY FROM FLINTRIDGE OUT TO INDIAN SPRINGS JUNIOR HIGH. MANY OF THOSE PATHWAYS ARE NOT GOOD LINEAR PATHWAYS WHICH MAKE SENSE IN BACK OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND OVER THE COURSE OF TIME IN THE MID TO LATE '90S STARTED MOVING TO THE SIDE OF THE ROADS. THIS WOULD ESTABLISH ALMOST FROM 2978 TO BASICALLY GROGAN'S MILL A CONTINUOUS PATHWAY TO GET THAT EAST/WEST TRAFFIC IN A CONTINUOUS LOOP A CONTINUOUS RUN VERSUS GOING THROUGH BACKS OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT COST AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT COULD÷÷COULD A VERY GOOD IDEA FOR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE GRANT IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THE OTHER THING WE'RE WORKING ON THERE'S BEEN REPORTS OF THE GROGAN'S MILL NATURE TRAIL AT PANTHER CREEK THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY ON.

THEY'VE BEEN INCLINED AS THEY REDESIGNED THE SAW DUST BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK THERE TO PUT WHAT I WOULD CALL A PATHWAY WING AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE STILL CROSS IN THAT AREA, THERE'S UTILITY EASEMENTS, PIPELINE EASEMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO BRING THAT BACK.

>> WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN INCLINED TO DO WHAT?

>> THEY'RE INCLINED TO PUT A PATHWAY WING ON THE NEW SAW DUST BRIDGE ON THE NORTH SIDE WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO CURL BACK IN THAT AREA OF THAT BRIDGE SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING A PATHWAY BRIDGE AT A LOWER ELEVATION. THIS BRIDGE WILL BE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION SO WE MINIMIZE RISK TO A BRIDGE TO GET PEOPLE TO CROSS THE CREEK.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK, CHRIS. AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE FUTURE PATHWAYS, ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, I HATE TO EVEN SAY IT, THE E- SCOOTER ISSUE, THE E- BIKE, MAKING THEM POTENTIALLY WIDER? I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING -- I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING AWAY. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST, LET THE RECORD REFLECT. I'M JUST SAYING AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE THESE THINGS ARE MULTIPLYING AT A RAPID RATE AND HOW DO WE LOOK AT DESIGN AND SAFETY GOING FORWARD ON THIS?

>> WELL, YOUR STANDARD RIGHT NOW IS EIGHT FEET.

BUILDING TO TXDOT WILL BE 12 FEET PATHWAY BUT ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SPECIAL IS THE PATHWAYS DODGE AND WEAVE AROUND TREES, SO WE TRY TO SAVE AS MUCH AS OUR FOREST. THE UNDERBRUSH IS A DIFFERENT STORY. WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK. THESE PROJECTS THAT WOODLANDS PARKWAY IS A LONG WAY OFF.

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>> WAS THERE EVER A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE WOODLANDS? THERE WAS A GENERAL MASTER PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. HOWEVER, THE BIKE PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN SAID OKAY, THAT PLAN WAS GREAT. HOWEVER, HOW OUR COMMUNITY USES THE PATHWAY SYSTEM HAS EVOLVED SINCE THE 1970S AND 1980S. LET'S REVISIT THIS, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, MISSING LINKS. THAT'S WHERE THIS PLAN YOU SEE, AND THOSE COLORS UP THERE ARE BOTH BIKE LANES AS WELL AS PATHWAY

IMPROVEMENTS. >> AND DID THAT PLAN HAVE ANY OF THESE PATHWAYS LINKING WITH ANY OF THE LONGER PATHWAYS SUCH AS THE ONE, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME RIGHT OFF HANDS, BUT THE BOROUGHS, I BELIEVE, THAT WAS BEING CREATED. THERE'S ONE THAT GOES INTO HOUSTON. THE SPRING

CREEK GREENWAY. >> THE SPRING CREEK GREENWAY, YOU CAN GET TO THE -- YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE SPRING CREEK GREENWAY AT WHAT WE BELIEVED IS ESTABLISHED TRAILHEADS, CREEKSIDE PARK WEST TRAILHEAD AT THE ROB FLEMING RECREATION CENTER. THERE'S A PATHWAY RIGHT THERE AND ACTUALLY A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING RIGHT THERE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST PROBABLY DIRECT LOCATIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS.

>> AND IT'S SOMEWHAT ROUNDABOUT, BUT ON FLINT RIDGE OR FALCON WING.

>> RIGHT. >> YES. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT, DR. ANNE, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE TRAIL SYSTEM, CROSS THE BRIDGE TO GET TO THE SPRING CREEK GREENWAY. BECAUSE REMEMBER, THE GREENWAY IS ON THE

HARRIS COUNTY SIDE, NOT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY SIDE. >> SO CHRIS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PATHS AND BIKE LANES, WITH THE LIBRARY BEING A DESTINATION FOR SO MANY THINGS, ARE WE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THERE'S WAYS TO GET TO THIS LIBRARY BY BIKE?

>> WELL, YOU CAN GET TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER ALREADY BY BIKE. THERE IS A PATHWAY ON SOUTH MILL BEND THAT GOES UNDER AND GOES AROUND THE BACK. SO YOU HAVE ACCESS ALREADY. COULD IT BE IMPROVED, YES, IT CAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO PUT FINGERS INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER. BUT WE HAVE TO GET RIGHT OF WAY. I BELIEVE THOSE ARE RIGHT OF WAYS. WE TALKED TO THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER ABOUT THAT AS A CONCEPT IF WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK BY THE CHILD CARE THERE'S A LITTLE ROAD THERE THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, JUT IN THERE. BUT YOU CAN GET TO THE VILLAGE CENTER, LIKE ANY ONE OF OUR VILLAGE CENTERS, THROUGH THE

PATHWAY SYSTEM. >> WHAT ABOUT COUPLE OF LITTLE AREAS THAT I'VE BEEN POINTED OUT TO FROM CONSTITUENTS WITH THE WORK GOING ON ON GROGAN'S MILL AT WOODLANDS PARKWAY, THAT'S BEEN SHUT OFF WHILE CONSTRUCTION'S BEEN GOING ON, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD DO -- STILL GET SOME PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC BE ABLE TO CROSS WOODLANDS PARKWAY DOWN THERE?

>> IN AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION ZONE, I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST THAT. THEY ARE TEARING THE PATHWAY UP, BECAUSE THAT PATHWAY WAS ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THAT WOULD BE ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE STRUCTURE -- THE SCULPTURE IS GOING. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, I BELIEVE, MINI PINES. IT'S NOT IDEAL, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN OTHER IMPROVEMENTS HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WE'VE HAD TO CLOSE PATHWAYS SEGMENTS FOR THREE, SIX MONTHS TO GET THAT IMPROVEMENT IN. AND IT'S NOT SAFE TO GO THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC

ZONE. >> AND THEN AN UNDERPASS WALKWAY BY NORTH SHORE PARK CONNECTING

TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE NEW CAMPUS, IS THAT -- >> WE HAVE STRUCK OUT WITH THE

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ELSE? >> YEAH, THEY'VE HAD ALREADY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE USING NORTH SHORE PARKING THERE, USING THE BATHROOM. SO THE BUILDING OWNER IS NOT REAL KEEN TO TRY TO MAKE MORE CONNECTIVITY TO NORTH SHORE PARK DUE TO ACCESS TO THEIR PRIVATE BUILDING. COUPLE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH BOTH THAT BUILDING OWNER IS IT IS NOT THE GUY THAT OWNS THE GREATER -- BASICALLY HE SOLD THE BUILDING TO AN INVESTOR GROUP WHO OWNS

THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THERE. >> WARMAC. >> WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING A PATHWAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF LAKE SIDE DRIVE AND THEN POSSIBLY COMING AROUND UNDER THE BRIDGE BECAUSE THERE IS AN EASEMENT CURRENTLY IN PLACE RIGHT NEXT TO THE BRIDGE ON THE -- THAT WOULD BE THE NORTH SIDE OF LAKE WOODLAND. SO THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE, BUT THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TO PUT THAT PATHWAY IN. BUT A DIRECT CONNECTIVITY WHICH WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE ALONG THE LAKE, THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS THAT BUILDING IS NOT AMENABLE TO

DOING THAT. >> IT'S JUST SO DANGEROUS. CRAZY DANGEROUS.

>> WANTED TO GET YOU AN UPDATE ON THE WATERWAY FOUNTAIN REPAIRS. WE RECEIVED A REPORT OF -- IT SAYS JUNE 19TH, BUT I SWEAR IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY, WHERE WE DID AN ORIGINAL TASK ORDER WITH HALF, GOT A SUB CONSULTANT IN WHO SPECIALIZES IN FOUNTAINS, AND REALLY TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT AND THEN DEVELOP A COURSE OF ACTION. WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE KNOW WHAT IS CHALLENGED WITH IT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH YOU POTENTIALLY AT THE AUGUST MEETING WITH ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER TO REALLY DEVELOP THE BUILDING SPECIFICATION STANDARDS AND BUILD OUT FOR A BID. WHAT WE SEE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF LEAKING IN THE -- ON THE FOUNTAINS, RIGHT WHERE THE WATER LINE IS. WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CALL IT THE SCUPPER LINE, THAT ON MOST OF THE POOLS, WE NEED TO BASICALLY OVERHAUL THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, FILTRATION SYSTEM ALL NEED LIGHT PACKAGE. WE HAVE A $3.5 MILLION EARMARK ALREADY IN THE BUDGET, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK TO YOU IN AUGUST. HOPEFULLY BUILDING, DOING THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IN THE FALL. AND THEN REVIEWING THE BIDS AND THEN I WILL HOPEFULLY, CROSS MY FINGER, GET THIS OPEN TO YOU BY JULY 4TH. I THINK THAT IS MY GOAL. HOW REALISTIC IS THAT GOAL? IT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT GETTING THAT WATER MOVING, CLEANED UP, OPERATING TO THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THAT'S THE GOAL THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR

YOU. >> THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. >> MM-HMM.

>> WHO'S -- WHAT -- WAS IT WATERLINE STUDIOS? IS THAT A FOUNTAIN COMPANY, AN EXPERT IN

THIS? >> THAT IS A FOUNTAIN COMPANY THAT THIS IS ALL THEY DO IS FOUNTAINS. AND THIS IS THE -- THIS IS THE GUY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE FELT WAS THE MOST IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING, MANAGE THE OPERATIONAL COST OF IT, THE MAINTENANCE COST OF IT. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH IS VERBAL FREQUENCY DEVICES, WHICH REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT GOES DOWN, WE'VE GOT TO GET NEW COMPUTER PROGRAMMING. WE'VE GOT TO GET NEW VARIABLE -- IT'S JUST A CHALLENGE. REALLY, IT'S TO SIMPLIFY THE OPERATIONS SO WE HAVE A GOOD DURABLE FOUNTAIN FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT WAS THE

GOAL IN HOW WE DEVELOPED THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THIS. >> IT SAYS REDESIGN FACTORS,

WHAT KIND OF REDESIGN ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT? >> THAT'S LARGELY THE FACT -- EXCUSE ME, REDUCING THOSE VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVES, WHICH BASICALLY TURNS A MOTOR ON AND OFF. IT'S ALSO A COMPUTER SYSTEM. IF ANYTHING GETS WONKY WITH THAT COMPUTER SYSTEM, YOU HAVE TO GO FIVE, SIX STEPS BACK -- TO TRACK THEM DOWN TO GET THE PROGRAM. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'VE ALSO REMOVED THOSE ON THE MAJORITY OF OUR SPRAY GROUNDS BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING SO MANY PROBLEMS. AND THIS IS A TEN-YEAR ISSUE WHERE WE WERE DOING THIS 2015 WHERE WE

REMOVED ALL THE VFDS IN THE SPRAY GROUNDS. >> SO NO REDESIGN TO THE

STRUCTURE ITSELF. >> NO, NO, NO, NO. IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE DESIGN THE

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>> -- >> THAT IS UP TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

>> I HOPE THERE'S A REALLY LARGE WARRANTY THAT GOES WITH THAT.

>> SO WE DON'T KNOW -- THE -- WHAT I WOULD SAY, DIRECTOR NELSON IS $3.5 MILLION IS THE EARMARK RIGHT NOW. WE WILL BE ABLE TO, HOPEFULLY, WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU SHORTLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS, PROBABLY SOME TIME THE NEXT SEPTEMBER/NOVEMBER TIME PERIOD -- WE WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU WHAT THE COST IS BY THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN FIRM.

>> DID WE APPROVE THAT? >> YES, WE DID. >> 3F.

>> YES. >> I THOUGHT WE WERE HOLDING ON IT.

>> I ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WAS HIGHER THAN THAT. >> ONE OF THE PROPOSALS WAS UP TO DOUBLE -- YEAH, ALMOST DOUBLE THAT. AND SO WE -- AND THAT WAS TO BRING BACK THE SHOWS WITH THE LIGHT AND THE SYNCHRONIZED MUSIC AND THE BOARD DECIDED AGAINST THAT. AND SO THIS IS BEING FUNDED FROM HOTEL TAX RESERVE, SO NOT PROPERTY TAX, NOT SALES TAX. THAT'S A DECISION THE

BOARD MADE LAST YEAR, AGAIN, JUST AS A PLACE HOLDER, FOR NOW. >> I THINK WE ALSO DISCUSSED WHAT ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT COULD GO THERE BESIDES JUST A FOUNTAIN. WHAT ELSE IS BEING

DONE SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> A BOTANICAL GARDENS. I'M JUST JOKING. BUT $3.5 MILLION IS A

LOT. >> IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FOUNTAIN, BUT PART OF WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS THE LARGE ROUND. IT LOOKS SO LOVELY HERE. IF THAT'S NOT WORKING, WHAT ELSE

COULD WE DO WITH THAT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A FOUNTAIN? >> I WAS THERE LAST NIGHT, AND

IT WOULD LOOK NOTHING LIKE THAT. >> RIGHT, IT HASN'T LOOKED LIKE THAT FOR A LONG TIME.

>> RIGHT. >> IT USED TO, THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT BACK TO. IF THE BOARD WANTS US TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE, THEY CAN CERTAINLY GIVE US

THAT DIRECTION AND WE CAN DO THAT. >> I THINK WE'LL SEE WHAT CHRIS COMES BACK WITH. HE'S PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT ALREADY. AND SEE WHAT IT IS.

>> AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE TOUCH POINTS HERE TOO BEFORE YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH YOU WITH, YOU KNOW, AN OPINION OF PROBABLE COST HERE. SAY, HEY, LISTEN, I'M MAKING THIS NUMBER UP, $6 MILLION OR IT'S $2 MILLION, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEFORE WE,

YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO MOVE ON. >> WHAT ARE WE PAYING HALF JUST TO BRING THIS INFORMATION TO US,

ARE WE PAYING THEM? $70,000 IS IT? >> THE ORIGINAL $55,000 TASK ORDER IS WHAT WE GOT TO HEAR TODAY. WE WILL BE COMING BACK WITH YOU WITH ANOTHER TASK ORDER FOR THE ACTUAL DRAWINGS, SPECIAL OCCASIONS, STANDARDS, I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER AT THIS POINT.

>> THANK YOU. >> WITH A MEETING UPON US IN 15 MINUTES, CAN WE JUST RECESS AND

PICK THIS UP AT THE NEXT PREBUDGET MEETING? >> THIS IS YOUR FINAL PREBUDGET MEETING, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO GET READY FOR THE AUGUST WORKSHOP MEETINGS, BUT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT. YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET, AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT FURTHER INFORMATION IN AUGUST THEN JUST

LET US KNOW, AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I WAS GOING TO TRY TO PULL A KNICK WALDO WITH THE QUARTERLY CBD REPORT, BUT.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANKS, CHRIS, APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT, WE DO NOT HAVE CLOSED SESSION TONIGHT.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO RECONVENE. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS, FUTURE ITEMS FOR BUDGET? IF NOT, ANY BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS? WE WILL HAVE THAT TONIGHT AS WELL. I CALL FOR MOTION AND SECOND TO ADJOURN THE

MEETING. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RESPOND BY

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