Aug 23, 2022 Board Budget Workshop #2

[1. Invocation / Pledge of Allegiance;]

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TOWNSHIP BUDGET WORKSHOP NUMBER TWO. WE DON'T HAVE A PASTOR HERE FOR AN INVOCATION. BUT, ANYBODY ON THE BOARD OR IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ONE? ALL RIGHT. THE

FAITHFUL HAS FALLEN. SO, I WILL DO A QUICK INVOCATION. >> DEAR GOD, THANK YOU FOR TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMUNITY, STATE, AND NATION. THESE PROCEEDINGS, AS WE LOOK TO HONOR YOUR WILL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU PROVIDED AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. AMEN. NOW THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD,

INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH:

[2. Call meeting to order;]

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: >> "HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE,

TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE." >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: OKAY, I'VE BEEN IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, THIS MEETING WAS POSTED 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE. POSTING

INSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE OFFICE. I'LL NOW TAKE ROLE. >> DIRECTOR BROWN?

>> HERE. >> DIRECTOR NELSON? >> HERE.

>> DIRECTOR RIESER? >> HERE. >> DIRECTOR SEKULA-GIBBS?

[3. Receive, consider and act upon adoption of the meeting agenda;]

>> HERE. >> DIRECTOR SNYDER? >> HERE.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: AND I'M HERE. WE HAVE A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF DIRECTORS TO TAKE ON

OUR AGENDA AND I NOW NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES) >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION WILL CARRY.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: THERE ARE NO PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO RECOGNIZE IN THE AUDIENCE AND IN A RARITY,

[6. Receive, consider and act upon the 2023 Preliminary Budget for The Woodlands Township;]

WOODLANDS TOWNSHIP AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MONIQUE. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. LET ME GET THIS PULLED UP AS YOU ALL KNOW, YESTERDAY, WE DISCUSSED WHAT WE REFERRED TO AS THE BASE BUDGET. AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS IN THERE, THE REVENUES, EXPENDITURES, CAPITAL, DEBT SERVICE, AND RESERVE BALANCES. AND AT THE END OF THE MEETING YESTERDAY, THE BOARD USED A TARGETED RATE FOR THE PURPOSES OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BUDGET INITIATIVES. USED THE TARGETED RATE OF $0.19. AS A REMINDER THAT'S NOT THE PROPOSED RATE YET OF THE BOARD, THAT ACTION IS STILL TO COME, BUT THAT IS THE RATE THAT WE'RE USING TODAY. I KNOW THAT ALL OF US, THE BOARD AND STAFF ARE FAMILIAR WITH BUDGET INITIATIVES. BUT, FOR THE PUBLIC. OUR BUDGET INITIATIVES ARE ITEMS WHICH HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD PRIMARILY BY RESIDENTS, SOMETIMES BY STAFF OR BOARD MEMBERS, TO ENHANCE TYPICALLY, TO ENHANCE SERVICE LEVELS. IT COULD BE TO DECREASE SERVICE LEVELS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. BUT, THESE ARE ITEMS WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET THAT WE ALL VIEWED YESTERDAY. THESE WOULD BE ADDITIONS TO OR SUBTRACTIONS TO THE BASE BUDGET. SO, WITH THAT, AS A REMINDER, AGAIN, OF WHERE WE LEFT OFF YESTERDAY, AT THE $0.19 TAX RATE WHICH IS BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF 1964. SO, THIS IS BELOW THE REVENUE RATE WHICH IS A TRUE DECREASE IN TAXES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS. WE HAVE LEFT OVER FROM 2023, UNDESIGNATED FUNDS OF $2.4 MILLION. FUNDS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN THE CAPITAL CONTINGENCY RESERVE INTEREST PREVIOUS YEARS TOTAL $4.2 MILLION. WE HAVE AN UNDESIGNATED HOTEL TAX RESERVE AND AS WE MENTIONED YESTERDAY, OUR HOTEL TAX IS USED AS DEBT SERVICE ON OUR CONVENTION CENTER BONDS AND ALSO TO FUND THE WOOLDANDS. BUT WE HAVE MORE HOTEL TAX TO COVER THOSE EXPENSES, SO EXCESS IS ACCUMULATED IN THIS RESERVE AND AT THE END OF 2023 WE'RE

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THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION BY THE PUBLIC OF USING THE GROGAN'S MILL PROPERTY RESERVE.

FOR THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD STRONGLY DISCOURAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE OUTSIDE ENTITIES THAT ROUTINELY MONITOR OUR FINANCIAL, THIS INCLUDE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES, BOND HOLDER, BANKING AND OTHER FINANCIALLY INSTITUTIONS. AND ALL THE LOGOS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THESE ARE THE BEST PRACTICES AND ENTITIES WHERE WE VERY CLOSELY FOLLOW THE ACCOUNTING AND AUDITING STANDARDS, THE BEST PRACTICES, THE REQUIREMENTS, THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS, MOODY'S AND S & P AGENCIES, TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE IN GOOD FINANCIAL STATE. HERE A BEST PRACTICE THAT WE FOLLOW CALLED A STRUCTURALLY BALANCED BUDGET. WHAT THIS SPECIFICALLY MEANS IS THAT YOU DO NOT USE RESERVE BALANCES THAT ARE SORT OF A SAVINGS ACCOUNT OR A ONE-TIME USE TO FUND ONGOING ITEMS SUCH AS A DROP IN THE RATE OR A DROP IN THE TAX RATE, OR AN

ONGOING OPERATING EXPENDITURE. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: SO, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED HERE YESTERDAY IN PUBLIC COMMENT AS A SUGGESTION, BUT IT WAS ALSO BY CHAIRMAN BRUCE TOUGH PINNED AN OP-ED SAID WE COULD DROP OUR TAX RATE TO $0.11. (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> YOU CAN'T DO THAT. STATE LAW PROHIBITS INCREASES IN PROPERTY TAXES YEAR OVER YEAR TO 3.5%. IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE PRIOR CHAIRMAN'S SUGGESTS AND ADOPT HIS THEORY POSTED ON WOOLDANDS ONLINE AND ON MILL. NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WOULD REQUIRE VOTER APPROVAL. PEOPLE NEED TO BE MORE THOUGHTFUL AND LESS RECKLESS WITH THEIR COMMENTARY ON WHAT THIS BOARD OR OTHER BOARDS CAN DO. REGARDLESS OF WHO IS SITTING UP HERE. IT'S DANGEROUS TO OUR CREDITORS AND REPRESENTATION OF THE BOARD. AND WHAT'S CHALLENGING IS THAT HE KNOWS BETTER. WE ASKED OUR ATTORNEY, AND HE USED TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD AND ANY OF THE POLICIES THAT HE'S MOCKING ARE POLICIES WHICH WERE ESTABLISHED LONG BEFORE ANY OF US WERE ELECTED. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHY AT THIS POINT IN TIME HE CHOSE TO SEND OUT A LETTER LIKE THAT, THE REALITY IS, I CAN'T LEGALLY PUT THIS COMMUNITY IN HARM'S WAY OR OUR NEXT BUDGET HAS TO BE VOTER APPROVED JUST TO COVER FIRE SERVICE AND WASTE MANAGEMENT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ELECTED TO DO. WE'RE ELECTED TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUITY IN AS FAR ASS AND CAP OUR TAXES AS LOW AS POSSIBLY.

>> I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE AS WE GO INTO TODAY THAT'S NOT AN OPTION THAT WE

WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THE REASONS JUST STATED. >> SO, WITH THAT, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THE BOARD HAS ALWAYS CHALLENGED SATISFY TO LOOK AT THE SURPLUSES IS WHAT WE COULD USE THEM FOR FOR THE ONE TIME USE AND HOW IT WOULD BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF A ONE-TIME

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ANOTHER THING THAT THE BOARD HAS DONE IS USED THOSE FUNDS DO SORT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, TO FUND OUR CAPITAL REPLACEMENT RESERVE AND OUR OPERATING RESERVE. SO THAT ANNUAL ALLOCATIONS OF THE PROPERTY TAX ARE NOT NECESSARY. SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE THOSE VARIANCES THEY'RE USED WISELY TO REPLEHNISH THESE FUNDS AND AGAIN, THAT REQUIRES US NOT TO HAVE TO HAVE A JUMPS OR EVEN A STEADY PROPERTY TAX ALLOCATION TO THAT. SO, ONE OF THE WAYS IT HAS BEEN ACHIEVED IS THROUGH THE CAPITAL PLACEMENT RESERVE. AS WE TALKED YESTERDAY, THAT RESERVE BALIS BEING REPLEHNISHE REPLENISHED. ALSO, YESTERDAY, WE HAD A TALK, THE BOARD MENTIONED, THE CHAIRMAN, PARTICULARLY, ABOUT THE OPERATING RESERVE AND CHANGING THE BOARD POLICY, INSTEAD OF USING A 20% MINIMUM, WHICH IN THE 20% IS DERIVED FROM THE CREDIT AGENCIES. THERE'S A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT TO GO BELOW 20. BUT, LOOKING AT HAVING A POLICY OF MAINTAINING THAT AT A 25% GENERAL FUND OPERATING EXPENDITURES. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, TO KEEP THAT REPLENISHED WITHOUT THE 5 YEAR PLAN AT A 25% LEVEL, IT WOULD

REQUIRE $1,051,000 ADDITIONAL ALLOCATION. >> AND SO, WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO START GOING INTO THE BUDGET INITIATIVES THEM SELVES. IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DO THE INITIATIVES BEFORE LOOKING AT ANY FUNDS IN THE OPERATING FUND WE COULD DO THAT. OR IF

THE BOARD IS LOOKING AT COLLAPSING ANY OF THOSE FUNDS. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP COLLAPSING AND CONSOLIDATING, SO WE DON'T HAVE SO MANY RANDOM RESERVES. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO DO THAT. I WOULD LOOK AT THE RESERVE, THE GROGAN'S MILL RESERVE AND THE CAPTAIN CONTINGENCY RESERVE ALL KIND OF COLLAPSING INTO THE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT RESERVE AND AS WE'RE DOING THESE CAPITAL BUDGET INITIATIVES, IT CAN COME OUT OF THAT ONE POT. AND I THINK AFTER WE GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BIG LIFT IN ORDER FOR US TO KEEP THE 25% MINIMUM OPERATING RESERVE WHOLE FOR FIVE YEARS.

WE COULD DECIDE THEN AT THE END IF WE WANT TO TRUE THAT UP BY THAT EXTRA MILLION THREE IF

THAT'S FAIR FOR THE BOARD. >> WITH THAT, WE'LL START ON THE INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVES.

THESE FIRST PAGES, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH, BUT IT'S A LIST THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HANDOUTS THAT LIST ALL THE ONES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. ONE OF THE FIRST THAT WE TALK ABOUT, THE FIRST BUDGET N INITIATIVES IS ON OUR FIRE STATIONS. THIS HAS BEEN UP FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS AND YOU'VE SEEN DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS REGARDING THIS. THE REQUEST IS FOR THE RENOVATIONS OF FIRE STATIONS THREE AND FOUR, FIVE IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A REBUILD, FIRE STATION FIVE, FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, THAT'S ON SUBSIDING LAND. AND SO, THERE ARE STRUCTURAL ISSUES IN THE SHORT-TERM AND CERTAINLY OVER THE LONG-TERM IN MAINTAINING A FIRE STATION AT THAT LOCATION, AND ALSO RENOVATIONS TO THE TRAINING CENTER. THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE AN UPDATED COST ESTIMATE. AND THAT'S JUST THE ESTIMATE, FROM AN ARCHITECT THAT WE RECEIVED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR. IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC

QUESTIONS, CHIEF BUCK IS HERE TO DRESS. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I THINK THIS ESTIMATE ALSO INCLUDES THE ARCHITECTURAL, AND THE PREPPING AND EVERYTHING, IT'S NOT JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COST. BECAUSE, I THINK 10% OF THAT ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING.

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>> 10-12. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: WE'VE BEEN COMMITTED TO STATION FIVE, WE HAVE BEEN FOR A FEW YEARS, WE'VE BEEN WAITING OUT THE LAND THAT WE NEED. AND WE'RE IN STRIKING DISTANCE OF THAT IN '23, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET AS A CAPITAL ITEM. DIRECTOR RIESER AND MILNER AND I TOURED STATION 3, 4, AND ETC. WITH THE ETC WHEN WE MET OUT THERE, WE ASKED FOR THEM TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT WAY TO EXPAND. AND I DON'T KNOW

IF THIS NEW NUMBER IS RESPONSIVE TO THAT ALTERNATIVE EXPANSION. >> THIS WOULD COME DOWN.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: DO YOU GUYS WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ETC NUMBER? >> AS FAR AS THE ETC GOES WITH THE EXPANSIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE MOST IMMEDIATE NEED IS THE BATHROOM FACILITIES, AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE 150 PLUS OUT AT THE TRAINING CENTER AND THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BATHROOM FACILITIES. AS WELL AS CONVERTING THE ENTIRE FACILITY TO A PROVIDE A GENERATOR, UPDATE THE KITCHEN. WE'RE OFTEN HOUSING RESOURCES FROM THE STATE FOR DISASTERS, SO, MAKING THAT MORE OF A USEFUL PLACE FOR US TO HOUSE PERSONNEL DURING DISASTERS. THE OTHER COMPONENT TO THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE MAINTENANCE ADDITION AND REDUCING THAT AND COME YOU WILL WITH A DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE. THAT WAS A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE

TIED TO THAT MAINTENANCE AREA. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: BRUCE? >> I THINK, HONESTLY, DOUG, BE YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL IN ONE YEAR, I MEAN, IT JUST CAN'T BE DONE. WE REALLY NEED A MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL PLAN TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE. I AGREE THAT THE TRAINING CENTER'S PROBABLY YOUR MOST IMMEDIATE NEED, BECAUSE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO IT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, FIRE STATION FIVE, WE STILL HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN CONTROL OF THE LAND YET. SO, WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO DELAY IT. WE HAVEN'T DONE A DESIGN, WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO DELAY IT. I WOULD SUGGEST, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT UM, KNOCKING OUT MAY BE TWO OF THESE THIS YEAR AND ALSO PUTTING IN AN ALLOCATION FOR DESIGN ATMOSPHERES AND LAND ACQUISITION FOR FIVE SO THAT WE'RE READY, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR IN THE BUDGET TO FUND THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. TO PUT THE MONEY AND SAY "WELL, WE'LL JUST ALLOCATE IT NOW" IT WILL SIT THERE FOR THREE YEARS, ALL TOLD TO GET ALL OF THIS DONE. I'M SAYING, I WOULD SPREAD OUT THE CAPITAL A BIT. BUT, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. IT'S OBVIOUS IN THE TOUR THAT A LOT OF OF STUFF HAS BEEN DEFERRED, YOU KNOW, WAITING FOR A DECISION ABOUT WHICH WAY WE WERE GOING ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS. BUT, I DO THINK IT'S A MULTI-YEAR PLAN AND I THINK THAT WE AUTO TRY TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPACE THE CAPITAL OUT. IT WILL CERTAINLY SMOOTH OUT THE BUDGETING PROCESS."

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: SO, STATION THREE AND FOUR, FOR ALL OF THOSE FIRE SERVICEMEN THAT WORK THERE, YES, WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT NEEDS TO BE REFRESHED. SO, I'M NOT SURE, IT HOW MANAGED WITH THE DEFERRAL, BUT THERE'S ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS IN BOTH OF THOSE STATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO VET OUT BEFORE DOING A REFRESH AND THEN IN DOING THE REFRESH THAT WE'VE JUST DONE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S AN EXPANSION NEED FOR ONE AND A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE LOCATION TO THE OTHERMENT TO YOUR POINT, BRUCE, I THINK IF WE ALLOCATE, LET'S SAY $10 MILLION IN CAPITAL TOWARDS FIRE SERVICE CAPITAL INITIATIVES, I DO THINK THAT YOU WANT TO TAG IT FOR STATION FIVE AND FOR ETC, AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THE DESIGN AND THE

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CAPITAL. >> WE HAVE PROBABLY $3 MILLION FOR ALL OF THOSE PROJECT IN VARIOUS COMPONENTS IN OUR RESEARCH STUDY THAT WE COULD USE. BETWEEN $2.5 MILLION AND

$3 MILLION. >> YOU MUST BE A MINDREADER, I'M SITTING HERE GOING, $10 MILLION, BUT YOU PROBABLY NEED $2 MILLION OR $3 MILLION MORE. THAT PUTS US IN A GOOD

SPOT WITH THE $10 MILLION. >> AS A SUGGESTION, THE 2022 UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE IS $8.2 MILLION AND WE COULD TAKE THE REMAINING BALANCE OUT OF THE GROGAN'S MILL SITE PLAN IF WE'RE GOING TO COLLAPSE THOSE AND THEN WE WOULD DO THAT AND IN TERMS OF IT SITTING IDLE, WE WOULD CONSIDER USING THOSE FUNDS TO GO TO A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE SO IT'S NOT SITTING THERE IDLE.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: THAT WORKS FOR ME. >> AS A REMINDER, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE REST ROOM FACILITIES AT THE ETC, REST ROOMS ARE DESIGNED BY CODE, SO, WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE PROPER NUMBER OF PEOPLE ATTENDING THE FACILITIES. SECONDLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE REST ROOMS, WE MAY GET INTO A SPOT WHERE THEY CAN'T BUILD THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT.

>> IT'S POSSIBLY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, TOO, IS BY ADDING A BUNCH MORE REST ROOMS, WE MAY RUN INTO A WATER CODE ISSUE. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE USING MORE WATER. THE SUGGESTION THAT I MADE WHEN WE WERE OVER THERE IS THAT I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO TAKE THE EXISTING BATHROOMS AND GYM, AND MAKE THAT ALL ONE. YOU KNOW, ONE AREA FOR THE MEN AND THEN BUILD A SEPARATE WOMEN'S FACILITY ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. THAT WAY YOUR NOT RIPPING OUT PLUMBING AND REBUILDING PLUMBING.

>> RIGHT. >> SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, BUT, ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU'RE

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, JOHN. >> AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESTROOMS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A PLACE DOWN THE HALL TO GO, AND ADDING NICE SHOWERS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT, THEY'RE COMING BACK TO USE THIS FACILITIES TO TAKE OFF THESE CHEMICALS WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING WHICH IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THERE'S A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME WHERE YOU HAVE TO WASH OFF AND CLEAN OFF, OTHERWISE, THE POTENTIAL FOR CANCER AND OTHER RISKS INCREASES SUBSTANTIALLY. THEY'RE NOT JUST RESTROOMS JUST TO ADD RESTROOMS, AND SHOWERS, JUST TO ADD SHOWERS.

>> THAT IS TRUE, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THOSE FACILITIES WOULD BE USED MORE IN DISASTERS WHEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL ASSETS AND IN TRAINING. WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY, WELL, IT'S LIMITED, WE HAVE ONE MALE SHOWER AND WHEN WE DO LIVE FIRE TRAINING, EVOLUTIONS, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE CONDUCTING THOSE GROSS DECONWHERE WE PUT EVERYBODY OUT WITH FIRE HOSE AND SPRAY THEM DOWN WE DO THAT TO TRY AND LEAVE AS MUCH AS AT THE SCENE AS WE CAN. BUT, DEFINITELY HAVING THE ADDITIONAL SHOWER FACILITIES WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT FOR OUR GUYS BEFORE THEY EVEN GO BACK TO THE STATION. OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP EVERYTHING OUT OF THE

STATION AS MUCH AS WE COULD. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK SO, WE'LL SLIDE $10 MILLION OVER AND YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR FUNDING AND CHIEF AND DOUG, I'LL DIRECT, THE STATION AND THE ETCS, AND DIRECTOR BROWN AND RIESER AND I, I GAVE CREDIT TO DIRECTOR MILNER WHO WAS NOT THERE. BUT, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, DIRECTOR BROWN IS A FACILITIES MANAGER FOR HUNTSMAN. AND DIRECTOR RIESER HAS BEEN THE LEAD CONSULTANT CONSTRUCTCONSTRUCTINH INTERCONTINENTAL AIRPORT EXPANSION. AND THESE TWO GENTLEMEN HAVE EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE ON FACILITIES AND CONSTRUCTION. AND THEIR ATTENDANCE AND INPUT WAS VERY VALUED.

>> AND HONESTLY, DOUG, THIS SHOULD BE ON THE CLOCK BECAUSE EVERY MINUTE WE DELAY IT'S

GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. SO, ANYWAY. SO... >> GREAT. THANK YOU.

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>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: THANK YOU. >> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> OUR NEXT ONE, WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, AN ADDITION OFFICER HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT FOR CONSTABLES OFFICE TO ADD TO OUR EXISTING 12 OFFICERS. THEY DID ASK THAT THE START DATE BE ON OCTOBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR. THE TOTAL COST ON AN

ANNUAL BASIS IS $110,900. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANYBODY THERE

IN FOREVER. >> NO. >> AT LEAST SIX YEARS.

>> SO, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >> I AM TOO, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY AND I'M SURE DR. SNYDER HAS HEARD THIS TOO, AND PREFER ABLY OTHERS TO, BUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE ASSOCIATION AND SEVERAL OFFICERS OF THE VILLAGE ASSOCIATION REQUESTED MORE OFFICERS. I APPRECIATE THE MANY POINTS THEY HAVE RAISED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF WHY THEY NEED ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. SO, THANKS TO THE VILLAGE ASSOCIATION FOR BEING A PARTICIPANT IN MAKING THIS

HAPPEN. >> AND I THINK, TOO, DOCTOR IF I MAY ADD, THE RESIDENTS HAVE

EXPRESSED A STRONG NEED OF NEEDING ANOTHER OFFICER. >> WELL, THE COMMUNITY IS

CONSIDERABLY LARGER THAN IT WAS SIX YEARS AGO. >> WELL, AND YOU'RE GOING TO

HAVE. >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS ARGUING.

>> THE ADVANCEMENT OF GOSLING WILL. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ON HOLD FOR BUDGET INITIATIVES THREE FOR TOMORROW. THAT GOES INTO NUMBER FOUR.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE RECURRING THEMES. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD. THIS IS BRINGING BACK SOMETHING FROM DECEMBER 2021 AT A BUDGET TASK FORCE MEETING, THEY MET TO REVIEW SMALL CUL DE SAC OPTIONS AND WE MAINTAIN THEM WITH AN IN-HOUSE CREW ONE TIME A YEAR. THERE'S BEEN CALL FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO INCREASE THAT. AND WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED IS AN OPTION FOR FIVE TIMES A YEAR OR A YEAR. AT THE BUDGET TASK FORCE MEETING IN DECEMBER OF 2021, THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDATION, JUST TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD MIGHT WANT TO DO. WE DID LOOK AT SOME OF OUR COMMENTS THIS YEAR ON SMALL CALLS, WE'RE NOT RECEIVING AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF CALLS THIS YEAR, SOMETIMES IT PEEKS AND FLOWS BASED ON THE LACK OF RAIN. THINGS ARE SLOWING TO GROW, SO, I WANTED TO

PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. >> WE DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION LAST YEAR, BUT LOGICALLY, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO BE FOUR TIMES A YEAR, QUARTERLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE A DROUGHT SEASON LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CREWS WILL BE THROUGH THERE A LOT QUICKER THAN NORMAL. I REALLY THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHICH HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR AWHILE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, KIND OF A SORE SPOT WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE RESIDENTS PITCHING IN AND MOWING THESE AREAS. SO, I REALLY THINK THAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO GO TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: HOW MANY CUL DE SACS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> 1341. >> AND IF I RECALL DIRECTLY, THESE ARE TITLED TO THE PROPERTY

OWNERS ADJACENTS OR ARE THEY NOT? >> THESE ARE LARGELY, 99.9% IN

THE COUNTY'S RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: OKAY. >> NOW, WHERE WE GET A NEWANCE IS THE LARGE CUL DE SACS. SOME OF THOSE ARE TITLED TO US, BUT THEY'RE ALSO IN A PORTION OF THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND CONFIGURATION. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT IT CREATES A NEW ONGOING OPERATING EXPENSE, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER IF MAY BE WE COULD COME BACK TO THIS ONE AFTER LOOKING AT OTHER

OPERATING. >> FINE. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: OKAY. SO,

YOUR NEXT ONE HAS NO ONGOING EXPENSES. >> THAT EXPENSE IS 55, BUT

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THERE'S NO ONGOING. >> YEAH. >> GOOD MORNING, THE NEXT ONE IS TO ADD TO OUR EVER SUCCESSFUL LAKE BOAT HOUSE TO ADD ANOTHER AMENITY, SAILBOATS, OBVIOUSLY, THE SWANS, AND THE STAND-UP PADDLE BOARDS, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. WE'VE EARMARKED FOUR BOATS THAT WE WOULD HAVE, A RESCUE BOAT WOULD BE NEEDED BECAUSE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO WITH THE KAYAKS, IT WOULD BE STATIONED OUT OF LLAKE SEDGE BOT HOUSE. RIVA ROW IN THAT CANAL IS AN ISSUE FOR EVEN THE MOST EXPERIENCED SAIL TO COME IN. IT IS A BULK-HEADED CEMENT LAKE. WE HAVE THAT ON A THREE-YEAR REPLACEMENT PLAN LIKE OUR KAYAKS, UNLIKE OTHER LAKES, UNTRAINED SAILORS WOULD HIT THE BULK HEAD AND SUCH SO PLANNING

ON THAT REPLACEMENT A LOT SOONER THAN USUAL. >> SO, YOU DON'T WARN THEM WHEN

THEY TAKE THE BOATS OUT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE BRAKES? >> .

[LAUGHTER] >> YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROBABLY GET FENDERS LINING THE BOATS.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE SHOULD BE LINING SOME OF THOSE BULK HEADS TO FIX THAT.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: WELL T DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PERMANENT, YOU COULD DO FENDERS. I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY WITH CASH FLOW. THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING ON MY ODD LIST FOR AWHILE. SO, I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING A NEW WATER BOAT AMENITY, I THINK IT CASH FLOWS IN THE LONG RUN.

>> PLEASE NOTE THAT WE WILL NEED MORE STAFF. >> I DID AGREE WITH CHAIRMAN,.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED. YOU POINTED OUT CONCERNS, ONE SAFETY AND TWO

STORAGE. ELABORATE ON THOSE. >> WITH SAFETY, THIS IS A NEW AMENITY AND WE LOVE THE CHALLENGE. GETTING CERTIFIED WITH ALL THE CERTIFICATIONS TO PROPERLY INSTRUCT THE NOVICE SAILORS AND TEACH THEM WHAT TO DO. AND WITH STORAGE, THESE BOATS WOULD HAVE TO BE STORED ON THE DOCK AND OBVIOUSLY DUE TO THE WEIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T TAKE THEM IN AND OUT, AND WE WOULD RECYCLE CURRENTLY AT LAKE SEDGE WE STORE THE WATER BICYCLES THERE. STORE THEM ON THE DOCK. THE NICE THING IS THAT IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES, OBVIOUSLY, NORTH SHORE IS ACROSS

THE WAY. >> SO, BOTH OF THOSE STAFF CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. >> THE BIGGEST ISSUE WILL BE THE RESCUE BOAT, BECAUSE SOMEBODY WILL CAPSIZE A SAIL BOAT OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF

THE LAKE. >> YES. > IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> IS IT A SINGLE OR DOUBLE? >> IT'S DOUBLE. I MEAN, OR, ACTUALLY IT'S WEIGHT RESTRICTS, SO, OBVIOUSLY THREE PEOPLE AND DEFINITELY WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH

THAT KIND OF TRAINING. >> IT'S MORE OF A RETRIEVAL BOAT THAN A RESCUE BOAT BECAUSE YOU COULD BREAK RIGGING, WHATEVER, THE BOAT AS STUCK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE, YOU COULD GO GET IT AND BRING IT BACK. ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT AMENITY, AND WHY NOT.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT. SAILING AWAY. >> THE NEXT ONE IS THE LAKE WOOLDANDS BICYCLE LANE REQUEST. AND WITH THIS ONE, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY IN THE 2016 PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MASTER PLAN IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE MASTER PLAN PUT IN BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR MORE SEPARATION AND PAINTING AND SUCH. AS YOU COULD SEE HERE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS $75,000 FOR ENGINEERING FIRST TO HAVE THEM COME OUT. I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT CURB CUTS AND SUCH, AND ABELL TO GO WHACK AND ABELL ALL PENDING COUNTY APPROVAL SINCE IT IS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. BUT, MAKING SURE THAT IT SAYS SIX CURB CUTS BUT MAKING SURE THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE'S PAVED MEDIANS WHERE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES ARE, WE DON'T WANT TO GET THEM OFF THE SHOULDER AND PUT THEM RIGHT BACK ON THE ROAD.

>> I'M HESITANT TO CALL THIS A BIKE LANE, I THINK THAT'S BIKE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT NOT A BIKE

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EVERYBODY NEEDS TO REALIZE LAKE WOOLDANDS IS ULTIMATELY SLATED FOR MORE WIDENING, IF WE BUILT THAT BIKE LANE, WE WOULD TAKE THAT LANE RIGHT BACK OUT AGAIN. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE THE CURB CUTS SO PEOPLE CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY USE THAT PAVED MEDIAN OR PAVED SHOULDER FOR

BICYCLE USE. I WOULD SAY BIKE IMPROVEMENTS BUT NOT BIKE LANE. >> ON THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SHOULDER, OBVIOUSLY, TAKING OUT SIX CURB CUTS IS NOT A HALF MILLION DOLLAR.

>> IT'S ACTUALLY SIX PER MILE. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: OH, SIX CAR CUTS PER MILE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN

WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE SHOULDERS? >> SO, BASICALLY WHERE THE CURB CUTS SHUT OUT INTO THE SHOULDER, IT FORCES THEM INTO THE ROAD. NOT EVERY ONE OF THEM, THE AVERAGE IS SIX PER MILE WOULD BE REMOVING THE CURB CUTS SO THEY WOULD NOT BE JETISONED OUT.

>> SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE SHOULDER? >> AT THIS POINT, NO. THAT WOULD NOT ADDRESS THE SEAM THAT'S BETWEEN THE SHOULDER AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'LL BE SOME SHOULDER REPAIRS AS WELL. AND SO THAT WOULD BE HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH THE COUNTY TO

UNDERSTAND. >> I RECALL COMMISSIONER NOWAK SAYING PUBLICLY IF WE FUNDED IT HE WOULD APPROVE IT. WE NEED A CORRIDOR FOR CYCLISTS, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD CONNECTER TORE FOLKS TO HIT IT TO GOSLING. I THINK WE HAVE 150 OR $200,000 IN THE BIKE RESERVE.

>> ONE OF $120,000 AT THIS POINT. >> THE WOOLDANDS COALITION, THE

NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS THE KIRKENDALE EXTENSION. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: THE KIRKENDAL EXPANSION WILL HAVE A BIKE LANE. WE COULD TAKE THE $125,000 WE HAVE SET ASIDE AND

THE NET CAPITAL FOR US WOULD BE WHAT, $355,000. >> YEAH.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: SO, IF THE BOARD IS GOOD WITH THAT. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. IN OUR OPINION WOULD THIS TAKE SOME OF THE HIGH MOVEMENT OR FAST MOVING BICYCLES

OFF THE PATHWAYS THAT ARE NEARBY. >> YES, MA'AM. OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE SEEN THEM ALREADY DOING IT OUT THERE AND IT'S JUST FOR SAFETY HAVING THAT DESIGNATED BECAUSE AS WE KNOW ON WOOLDANDS PARKWAY AND RESOURCE THERE ARE NOT SHOULDERS ON PARTS OF THAT

SECTION. >> AND WOULD THIS BE A PLACE WHERE SOME OF THE ELECTRIC BIKES

THAT I SEE POPPING UP AROUND THE COMMUNITY CAN DRIVE? >> YES.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: OKAY. SO THAT NET CAPITAL MOVE WOULD BE MOVING $125,000 FROM THE BIKE PEDESTRIAN BIKE RESERVE AND ADDING $400,000 IN CAPITAL FROM THE CAPTAIN RESERVE FUND. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. NOW, WE HIT A BIG NUMBER. THINGS WILL SLOW DOWN.

>> YES, IT IS A BIG NUMBER T AS SOME OF THE BOARD KNOWS, THE CHALLENGE WITH TAMBERINE PARK NOW IS THAT WE'RE. THE COUNTY IS REQUESTING THAT WE DO NOT OR HAS MANDATED THAT WE DO NOT USE THAT TO ACCESS THE PARK MINUS THE TROLLIES BECAUSE THAT'S A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ISSUE.

SO, WE'VE HAD TO LOAD COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS EVENTS ALL THE WAY FROM WHOLE FOODS, FROM LAKE FRONT CIRCLE AND LAKE WOOLDANDS, WE HAVE FOLKS COME DOWN ALMOST HALF A MILE, A MILE FROM THE ROAD AND THERE'S A BRIDGE THERE THAT CERTAIN SIZED TRUCKS CANNOT GET TO. AS WE STARTED TO THINK THROUGH THIS, WE STARTED TO DEVELOP IDEAS HOW TO IMPROVE THE PARK TO HANDLE ACCESS FROM THE FRONT OF THE PARK, WHERE WE WOULD ONE REMOVE THE BALLARDS, WE WOULD PUT THE

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THERE'S A PLEXISYSTEM THERE THAT'S MEANT TO HOLD -- IT WAS DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE FOOT TRAFFIC FOR GRASS GROWTH AND REGENERATION. AND IT'S WORKED WELL. AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THERE. OUR FIRST CHOICE IS TO ALWAYS TRY TO WORK AND CONTINUE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT GAINING ACCESS. HOWEVER, THIS IS AN OPTION. BECAUSE, AT SOME POINT WE WILL START POTENTIALLY LOSING EVENTS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANT TO USE THE TAMBERINE PARK WHICH IS AN ASSET TO DRAW NON-RESIDENTS TO OUR COMMUNITY AS VISITORS FOR VARIOUS SPECIALS AND EVENTS AS WELL.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT, THIS ONE'S GOING TO TAKE SOME DIALOG. WE ALL HAVE IT IN OUR

BUDGET INITIATIVES WITH DESCRIPTIONS. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: SO, IF WE COULD MAKE IT THROUGH THE DAY QUICKLY T LET'S DEFER THIS ONE AND BRING IT BACK ONCE WE GET TO THE ONE THAT IS WE CAN AGREE TO AND HAVE THE TOUGHER CONVERSATIONS LATER. ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT ONE IS REVILLE ROAD PLAYGROUND. >> FOR THIS BUDGET INITIATIVES A REQUEST TO ADD A PLAYGROUND AT RIVA ROW, IT'S AN EXCITING AREA WITH A LOT OF ACTIVITY. WITH THE GROWTH, WE'VE NOTICED THAT PARK IS BECOMING A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. WHEN YOU LOOK AT EAST SHORE ACROSS THE WAY, THERE'S NO PLAYGROUNDS IN EAST SHORE, ESPECIALLY THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THAT'S NOT A COMMON AMENITY AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITH THE BROWNSTONES AND THE WATERWAY LOFTS AND POTENTIALLY, THE FUTURE, MORE STUFF THAT COULD BE GOING TO THE

WATERWAY. IT'S TO ADD A PLAYGROUND IN THAT PARK. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YES, MA'AM? >> WE'RE OVER THERE A LOT. IT'S VERY HILLY. I'M CURIOUS BE

WHAT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WOULD BE? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA WHICH IS BEHIND THE BOAT HOUSE WHERE THE TREE ARE AT, THE IDEA IS TO USE THE TREED AREA AS SHADE, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN RECENTLY, IT'S BEEN CLEARED OUT A BIT, BUT IT WAS TO INTEGRATE THAT SO IT BLENDS IN NATURALLY WITH NATURE. AT THAT FLAT AREA, AT THE TOP OF THE HILL,

BASICALLY. >> THANK YOU, JOHN. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: SO,

ADJACENT TO RIVA ROW? THE TOP OF THE HILL? >> YES.

>> BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH FENCING AND GATES AND STUFF TO PROTECT THE

CHILDREN. >> OH, WE DON'T LIKE FENCES. IT'S SIMILAR TO NORTH SHORE, IF YOU SAW THAT, BY THE LAKE'S EDGE THERE, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN LAKE SHORE.

>> WHICH WOULD BE WISE WITH THE YOUNG CHILDREN AND THE WATER SIMILAR TO NORTH SHORE.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE A STRONG OPINION ON THIS ONE?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A PLACE-HOLDER OR CONSIDER, AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD AND KNOW THAT WE'LL COME BACK TO SEVERAL ITEMS, BUT, KEEP IT IN THE MIX RIGHT NOW.

>> SO, I'M TRACKING THINGS WE'RE IN, FOR SURE, AND I'VE GOT, I'M CIRCLING THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO. DO YOU WANT TO PUT THIS AS A "CIRCLE BACK? "

>> >> PLEASE." >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT,

IT'S A CIRCLE BACK. >> OKAY. JOHN AND I ARE TAG TEAMING HERE. THIS WALL WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING LATER TODAY ABOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THERE ARE OTHER PLANS OUT THERE THAT ARE STILL TO BE COMPLETED. ONE OF THEM IS THE FFAIR BRANCH PARK MASTER PLAN COMPLETE IN 2017. YOU HAVE DONE THE PHASE 1 WHICH WAS THE POOL, PHASE THREE WHICH WAS THE PARKING LOT, 2 WAS A MIX OF ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, TENNIS COURTS, THE AWNING AND OTHER THINGS. PHASE FOUR AND FIVE ARE THE 50-METER POOL AS WELL AS THE EXPANSION WHICH ARE

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FACILITIES. >> HOW MANY BATTING CAGES? >> WHAT I'M LOOKING AT NOW,

SEVEN TO EIGHT. >> WHERE ARE THE BATTING CAGES? I CAN'T SEE THEM.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING? >> THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT IN

THE GRAY AREA. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTH OF THE DOG PARK?

>> YES. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: CHRIS, I WOULD SHARE WITH THE BOARD, I ASKED CHRIS YESTERDAY FOR A CRAZY IDEA WHICH HAPPENS TO TIE INTO THIS PARTICULAR PARK. I MENTIONED IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD THE STATE'S LONGEST LAZY RIVER IN A PUBLIC POOL. AND SO, CHRIS AND JOHN OVERNIGHT CAME UP WITH A CONCEPT HOW WOULD THAT INTERFERE WITH THIS?

>> SO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET TO THE LONGEST, BECAUSE, IT'S ABOUT A MILE LONG. BUT, THERE IS SOME ROOM IN BEAR BRANCH PARK. BETWEEN THE POOL AS WELL AS THE RECREATION CENTER. THAT SPACE, IF DIRECTOR NELSON IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, I THINK YOU COULD POTENTIALLY SEE A 50-METER POOL ON THAT MASTER PLAN, THAT WOULD BE THE LARGER SPACE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, THE CURRENT POOL HOUSE WAS EXPANDED TO SOME DAY, HANDLE ANOTHER AQUATIC AMENITY THAT WAS TIED INTO THE 50-METER POOL. WE'RE NOT SEEING THE DEMAND AT THIS MOMENT FOR A 50-METER POOL, THERE MAY BE OTHER SPOTS FOR A 50-METER POOL IN THE COMMUNITY'S SYSTEM. AND DIRECTOR BUNCH CHALLENGED US TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT WAS. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND MY LITTLE SQUIGGLE THAT I SENT YOU RIGHT NOW FROM A LIFEGUARD MANAGEMENT STAND POINT. BUT, I BELIEVE THAT I PUT THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY BUILD THE LONGEST ONE IN THE WOOLDANDS, PROBABLY COMFORTABLY IN THAT SPACE. THE UTILITIES THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK BECAUSE THAT'S A MAIN LINE OF BRINGING IN UTILITIES, ESPECIALLY CLOSER TO THE RECREATION CENTER THAT WE

HAVE TO REVIEW OF HOW EVERYTHING COMES IN. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL AMENITY TO ADD. I'M CURIOUS AND HAVE BEEN TO THE PARKS, THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE BATTING CAGES AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT IN. AGAIN, WE WERE HAVING, IN 2017 WHEN THE PLAN WAS WRITTEN, WE WERE HAVING SO MUCH SUCCESS WITH THE ROW BOAT HOUSE AND WE STILL HAVE SUCCESS WITH THAT, SINCE 2017 WE LAUNCHED TEXAS BUDGET. THERE'S A SUPERVISOR MANAGER INTEREST, THIS WOULD BE ONE OF IT. WE GOT TO THINK DIFFERENTLY ON HOW WE PROGRAM AND MANAGE THESE THINGS BECAUSE THESE ARE ABOUT GENERATING REVENUE SO OFF SET THE BASE COST SO THAT WE

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FULL FREIGHT. >> BECAUSE THE CLOSEST BATTING CAGE RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST THAT

I'M AWARE OF, IS ACROSS 45. >> I THINK THAT YOU SEE IT IN, I JUST LOST THE NAME OF THE

SOFTBALL COMPLEX. >> ORWAL? >> IT'S THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

>> HOW MANY BATTING LANES DO THEY HAVE? >> THAT, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT AWARE OF. THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER LANES HERE, SOME ARE MORE PITCHING TUNNELS.

WHERE A PARENT AND CHILD CAN PITCH A BASEBALL. I KNOW THAT AYE USED THAT IN THE PAST. THIS ONE IS MACHINES WHERE THEY'RE GOING 40-70 MILES AN HOUR, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. I'VE THOUGHT HOW MANY CAGES WE COULD ASSIGN TO SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL. WHAT THE REVENUE NUMBERS SHOW IS JUST A VERY CONSERVATIVE FEE STRUCTURE BASED ON THE ACTUAL LANES FOR, 10-15 BALLS, VERSUS OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH BIRTHDAY PARTIES, LANE RENTALS, PRIVATE COACHING AND

THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THERE. >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE STANDING ROOM ONLY. ARE YOU

MAXING OUT THAT SPACE OR IS THERE POTENTIAL FOR LANES? >> REMEMBER, WHAT A MASTER PLAN DOES IS GIVE YOU A 50,000 FOOT LEVEL AND WE HAVE TO GET INTO THE ENGINEERING AND THAT'S WHERE

THERE'S MONEY INVOLVED. >> SO, NO MINI GOLF COURSE? >> NO. THIS FITS WITHIN IT.

THEORETICALLY, IT WOULD FIT BETTER, IN THEORY WITH THE SPORT'S PARK, BUT WE'RE GOING TO START MAXING OUT THAT PLACE AND WE HAVE SUPERVISION AND CARRY OVER FROM A STAFF STAND POINT IF

SOMETHING GOES WRONG STLR ADDITIONAL BODIES AS WELL. >> I LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT'S ACROSS THE BEAR BRANCH SPORTS FIELDS. THERE'S A CROSS WALK. SO, IF WE PUT IN ALL OF THESE AMENITIES, INCLUSIVE OF THIS NICE LAZY RIVER, IT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED. AND I THINK OF ALL THE CURRENT PUBLIC POOLS THAT WE HAVE, DOES RALPH FLEMING GENERATE THE MOST REVENUE?

>> YES, I THINK THAT MONIQUE SAID WE WERE AT 46 OR 47 IN THAT RANGE. IF WE COULD GET IT DONE BY THE 2023 OR 2024 SEASON, IT WOULD ASSIST IN REVENUE GENERATION FOR THIS POOL. WE PROBABLY WOULD LOOK, POTENTIALLY AT A DIFFERENT PRICE POINT TOO. MAY BE IT'S NOT THE PRICE POINT OF ROB FLEMING, BUT MAY BE A DIFFERENT PRICE POINT THAN OUR REGULAR

REGULARVILLEAGE -- REGULAR VILLAGE POOLS. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I'M LIKING THE AGREEMENT ON INITIATIVE NINE AND I THINK THERE'S AGREEMENT ON THE RIVER CONCEPT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PERFECTED. I SHARED WITH DIRECTOR BROWN AND SNYDER, THE SCREEN SHOT OF WHAT YOU SENT ME. I'LL BE FAIR. THERE'S A PICTURE OF CHRIS'S AND JOHN'S SQUIGGLY LINES.

>> THAT WAS AT 8:00 P.M. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I WAS DRIVING HOME, AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I'VE THROWN OUT A LOT OF IDEAS THIS YEAR, AND IT JUST HIT ME, WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE THE STATE'S LONGEST BAR AND WE SHOULD HAVE THE STATE'S LONGEST LAZY RIVER. I'M HOPING THE WOOLDANDS TEAM MARKET THE COMMUNITY STRONGER. BUT, I RECOGNIZE THERE'S REVENUE DROP IN THE CURRENT POOL SYSTEM WHERE AS ROB FLEMING STRONG DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HOLD THE DEMAND HAVING ANOTHER SUPER SIZED POOL AMENITY IN A PARK WHICH HAS THE SUFFICIENT AMENITY AND IT WOULD HELP WITH THE OVERALL REVENUE GENERATION THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS SO GOOD AT.

>> ALSO, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING INTO RECRUITMENT ISSUES AROUND LIFEGUARDS AS IT IS. AND YOU NEED TO ADD ANOTHER 20-30, TO MANAGE THIS OR MORE, TO MANAGE THIS RIVER, IS THAT

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REALLY FEASIBLE? >> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IS WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DESIGN. AND JOHN IS OUR AQUATICS EXPERT. YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE DESIGN TO HOW TO DO WHAT THAT IS SAFE AND USES THE LEAST AMOUNT OF LIFEGUARDS. MONIQUE ALSO MADE MENTION ABOUT LOOKING AT ADJUSTMENTS IN PAY FOR THE LIFEGUARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE VERY WELL BEFORE THE ADJUSTMENTS OF PAY IS REALLY TO CREATE A CULTURE WHERE THE KIDS WANT TO BE. AND THAT'S HELPED A LOT. DOING A LOT OF REFERRALS AND WE HAVE BONUS PROGRAMS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

LATE SEASON BONUSES. WE HAVE EVERYTHING BUT THE SALARY. WE SHOULD BE THEORETICALLY OKAY WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT YEAR IF WE WERE TO DO THIS AND GETS ON IN 2024. WHEN I GO TO CONFERENCES AND THEY SAY, EVERYBODY'S GOT A LIFEGUARDS SHORTAGE, WE'RE DOING OKAY.

>> IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE TO GET IT DONE. >> IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING IT DONE WHEN, IN THE '23 SEASON OR THE '24 SEASON. WE HAVE IN THE PIPELINE THAT'S WAITING FOR THE CLOSE OF POOLS RIGHT NOW, ABOUT FOUR MAJOR PROJECTS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE

ACTIVELY DOING. >> BUT, THE POINT IS, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS ALREADY OFFSET BY PROGRAM FEES ANYWAY. SO, WE NEED TO PAY THE LIFEGUARDS MORE, WE MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THE FEE STRUCTURE A BIT TOO. NOTHING ELSE IN LIFE RIGHT NOW IS GETTING ANY CHEAPER.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WROTE IN MY NOTE THAT IS I THINK IS ANOTHER POINT AND SUCCESSFUL IN THE AQUATICS PROGRAM. EVERY FEW YEARS OR SO, WE LOOK AT THE MARKET FOR AQUATICS AND IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY WITH DIFFERENT POOLS. DO WE NEED ALL OF THESE POOLS OPEN? ARE THERE BETTER TIME PERIODS TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS VERSUS LESSON ACCESS AND DRIVE WHETHER IT'S ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE INCREASING THE SERVICE LEVEL.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING SLIDES AT SELECTIVE AREAS AROUND THE LAZY

RIVER? >> BETWEEN 8 AND THIS MORNING? BETWEEN 8:00 P.M. AND THIS

MORNING, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE. >> WELL, SPIRAL SLIDES? >> WE HAVE A SLIDE RIGHT NOW AT BEAR BRANCH, AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH DEPTH OF WATER THAT YOU'LL NEED FOR SLIDES AND THE AMOUNT OF EXIT SPACE THAT YOU NEED. SO, HOW FAR YOU GET PUSHED OUT, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DEPTH, AND ALSO YOU HAVE TO PUMP MORE WATER TO THAT AMENITY.

>> I VISITED THAT, AND ENJOYED THE LAZY RIVER AND I SAW THAT THE ADOLESCENTS WERE ENJOYING

THE SLIDES. >> IF YOU SO DESIRE, YOU COULD TAKE A BREAK FROM THE LAZY RIVER. AND SO, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT, IF THE BOARD DOES APPROVE THAT WE HAVE TO ZONE IN ONTO SAY, HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE WITHIN THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SPACE AS WELL. AS I MENTIONED, LAST NIGHT, IT WAS A SQUIGGLE LINE BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WAKE UP AND SAY, THERE ARE POTENTIAL UTILITIES, THERE'S MUCH MORE TO THE STORY THAN JUST A SQUIGGLE

LINE. >> THE OTHER THING THAT WAS NICE ABOUT THE CONFERENCE CENTER WAS THE PLETHORA OF CYPRUSS TREES AND FOLIAGE THAT MADE IT LOOK TROPICAL. I'M NOT SURE IN

YOUR DESIGN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR THE FOLIAGE. >> WELL, YOU'RE CREATIVE.

>> THE AVERAGE PARTICIPANTS IS 785. WHAT DO YOU ENVISION THE NEW CAPACITY TO BE AND WHAT IS

IT CURRENTLY SEW >> THAT IS VARIOUS AVERAGES OF VARIOUS EVENTS THAT YOU ARE READING. ARE THOSE ALL EXACTLY AT THE SAME TIME? YOU KNOW, THAT PARK YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IS RUNNING FROM 6:00 A.M. WITH LESSONS GOING UNTIL 8, 9, 10:00 P.M. THAT PASS THROUGH, THAT PARK ON A GIVEN 16-18 HOUR DAY. WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE BATTING CAGES POP IS MOST LIKELY THAT 4-8:00 P.M. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT DURING THE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY OFF SET AS

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RECYCLING CENTER WHICH RIGHT NOW THAT'S BEING USED BY CURATIVE. >> AND WE ALSO ADDED ANOTHER

ACCESS POINT, DIDN'T WE? >> THAT'S THE FLOW OF THE PARK AS WELL AS THE REASON WE'RE TRYING TO CHAMPION THIS PART OF THE PARK BECAUSE YOU DEAD END ON THE OTHER SIDE WHICH SNARLS

THINGS UP. >> DO YOU ENVISION THIS BEING A HOT SPOT FOR THE PARK RANGERS TO

FREQUENT? >> THE PARK RANGERS ARE THERE, BECAUSE IT'S A TOWN PARK, THEY SHOULD BE IN THERE AT LEAST ONCE A DAY. BUT, AS WE KNOW WITH USE LEVELS, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PARK, THE LESS ISSUES OCCUR IN THE PARK AND THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT NORTH SHORE PARK, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE'S RARELY ANY GRAFFITI THERE, BECAUSE THERE

ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WATCHING. >> AND NOTHING ABOUT THIS PARK AND MAXIMIZING IT'S AVAILABILITY IS THERE'S NO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS. OFTEN WE'LL GET THE COMPLAINTS IN THE

HOT SPOTS. >> SO, THE PINGS OFF THE METAL BATS SHOULDN'T BE HEARD.

>> AND THE SQUEALING OF CHILDREN ENJOYING THE LAZY RIVER SHOULDN'T BE A NEWSANCE TO

ANYONE. HOW MUCH WAS ALLOCATED OUT OF THIS $1.5 MILLION? >> I HAVE

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> OKAY. SO, IF WE WANTED TO CONSERVATIVELY PROVIDE FUNDING FOR A VIABLE, BEST AS YOU COULD DO, LAZY RIVER, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO ADD?

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I ALREADY KNOW THE NUMBER. >> YOU ALREADY KNOW THE NUMBER?

>> WELL, I'M CHEATING. >> I'M DOING THE MATH. I BELIEVE, IF MY NUMBERS ARE

CORRECT, IT'S A $3 MILLION TOTAL. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: FOR THE

RIVER? >> FOR RIVER AND THOSE AMENITIES.

>> SO, IT WOULD BE $1.5 MILLION? >> IT'S ABOUT

(INDISCERNIBLE) AT THOUSAND FEET. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT.

SO, THE BOARD WANTS TO THINK ABOUT IT OR THEY WANT TO DO IT? >> I WANT TO DO IT.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: IT'S MY IDEA, SO, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT TOO.

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S GRAND. & I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING LONG. BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES, IF IT'S NOT LONG, YOU HAVE PEOPLE DOING IT OVER AND OVER AND IT'S NOT QUITE AS

EXCITING. >> THIS PARK WILL BE THE PLACE TO BE.

>> WELL, IT WILL DEFINITELY OWN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA LENGTH MAY BE NOT THE WHOLE OF TEXAS IS

THAT ONE IN SAN ANTONIO OR DO WE KNOW? >> I THINK IT'S OVER IN THE

OTHER SIDE. >> HOW DO YOU FENCE A MILE LONG?

>> I THINK THEY'RE INCLUDING NATURAL RIVERS. >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS DO YOU

THINK THAT $3 MILLION IS ENOUGH? >> WHAT I WOULDN'T MIND DOING IS COMING BACK TOMORROW, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS IS BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH AT THIS POINT. WE DID REACH OUT TO SOME OF OUR CONSULTANTS THAT WE REGULARLY USE LAST NIGHT ABOUT THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HIT ME OFF WAS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE LANDSCAPING, JUST HIT ME, AND THAT COULD BE A COUPLE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL PROJECT. SO, WE DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU NEXT YEAR AND SAY, BY THE WAY, THAT'S NOT $1.5 MILLION. WE MAY HAVE THAT WITH BUILDING COSTS. BUT, WE ALSO WANT TO INCLUDE THAT WE ASKED THEM A LINEAR PRICE WITH PUMPS. BUT WE NEED THAT OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I'M GOING TO PUT THIS IN THE "CIRCLE BACK BUT HIGHLY LIKELY" CATEGORY.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT. (INDISCERNIBLE) ANOTHER CAPITAL AND REVENUE GENERATING MACHINE.

>> WITH THIS ONE AS WE ALL KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL TRUE VENTURES HAS BEEN AND THIS WOULD BE TO ADD ON WHAT WE CALLED PHASE II AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE WITH THE SUPPORT POLES. WE UTILIZED ONE LEVEL. THIS COST WOULD BE TO CHANGE SOME AMENITIES AND BUILD UP ON THE SUPPORT POLLS AND ADD

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YEARS TO PAY FOR THIS, SO. >> ALL RIGHT. DIRECTOR RIESER? >> TREE VENTURES IS A GREAT ATTRACTION FOR US. IF THIS ONE GETS PARKED, I WOULD OFFER, YOU KNOW, THE HOTEL TAX UNDESIGNATED RESERVE TO PAY FOR THIS. I THINK IT'S A HUGE PLUS FOR US IN TERMS OF SELLING THIS AS A

DESTINATION. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT. I LIKE THIS ONE.

>> THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE 2017 BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN AND BASICALLY TAKE AS PATHWAY FROM THE FOREST DOWN TO LAKE WOOLDANDS ON THE WESTERN SIDE BY THE POND RETENTION POND AND UP. BECAUSE, IT HAS THE FEWEST INTERACTIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS.

SO, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT. WE HAVE RECEIVED, SINCE THE AREA GOT DUELIZED, A NUMBER OF COMMENTS OF WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT IN THE PATHWAY. AND SO, THIS IS A DIRECT RESULT FROM HEARING FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT A CAPITAL EXPENSE OF $1.2 MILLION WHICH INCLUDES CONTINGENCY, AND ENGINEERING. IT'S CLOSING IN ON 2 MILES, THUS THE REASON THE PRICE TAG THAT YOU SEE.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: AND CURRENTLY THERE'S NO PATHWAY? >> THIS IS THE SECTION. SO, BASICALLY, IF YOU WOULD COMPLETE THIS, YOU WOULD LARGELY HAVE A PATHWAY FROM NORTH ALDEN BRIDGE, AROUND TWINDALE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO (INDISCERNIBLE) WITH THE NEW PATHWAY, THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM TOMORROW, TO HELP US MOVE THAT FORWARD.

>> ALSO CONNECTED THE EAST/WEST, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING ON LAKE WOOLDANDS. AND I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF IT. AND I THINK THAT HE SHOULD DO IT.

>> ME TOO. >> I AGREE. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT,

MORE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS AMENITIES. THAT WAS GOOD. >> NUMBER 12.

>> THIS BUDGET INITIATIVE WAS TO ADD PARK LIGHTS TO HARPER'S LANDING. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK, AS THEY ALL ARE, BUT IT'S A VERY LARGE PARK AND WHERE THE DOG PARK IS, IT'S OFF TO THE SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS THERE. SO, WHAT THIS DOES IS OBVIOUSLY OPENS IT UP SO PEOPLE CAN UTILIZE IT UNTIL 11:00 P.M. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, THIS IS TO ADD THREE. WE CURRENTLY AT THE RIVA ROAD DOG PARKS, ADDING THE LIGHTS THERE.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: YOU COULD STOP. NUMBER ONE, YOU ALREADY HAD ME AT HARPER'S LANDING. SO,

WE NEED TO DO THAT. SO. >> ALL RIGHT. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: NUMBER 13.

>> IT'S ABOUT A $2 MILLION PRICE TAG, HOWEVER, YOU ALSO HAVE, ON THE NEXT ITEM, 14, THE 2021 NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE DISCUSSED IN THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THESE AMENITIES IF YOU SO DESIRE JUST INTO CREEK SIDE PARK AND SAYING, HOW DO WE LOOK AT PICKLE BALL ACROSS THE BOARD? NOT JUST CREEK SIDE PARK, DO WE NEED OR NOT NEED A SECOND PLAYGROUND. WHERE ARE THE

TENNIS COURTS AND DO THEY FIT IN THE ROB'S LANE? >> THERE ARE PROS AND CONS WITH EVERY REQUEST OUT THERE. AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT HOLISTICALLY IN THE NEXT

AGENDA ITEM. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

>> THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I WOULD HAVE IS SKATE PARKS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A DEBATE DOWN

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PULLED IT OUT. >> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WITH TRYING TO BALANCE THE RESIDENTS' NEEDS FROM WHERE THEY LIVE AS WELL AS WHERE THEY RECREATE IS THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. NOT ONLY IN CREEKSIDE BUT EVERYWHERE. WHEN WE ADD NEW AMENITIES LIKE THE BEAR BRANCH PARK GREAT, WE COULD ADD THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS CLOSELY. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE OVERFLOW PARKING OR INCONSISTENT USE IN THE PARK. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ALWAYS REMIND OURSELVES IS THE USE OF THE SKATE PARK NEXT TO THE TENNIS COURTS. WHY? BECAUSE WE DID WANT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE, THEORETICALLY, AND THOSE TWO COMMUNITIES DON'T NECESSARILY MIX WELL. THEY'VE, I THINK, LEARNED TO LIVE WITH IT, WITH A LOT OF, WITH A LOT OF REFORESTATION BETWEEN THEM AND BUFFERS AND SCREENS. BUT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AS THE BOARD PLACES VARIOUS AMENITIES IN THE

PUBLIC PARK'S SYSTEM. >> IS THERE ADEQUATE ROOM AT BEAR BRANCH TO PUT IT THERE?

>> ROB FLEMING IN >> YES. I'M SORRY, ROB FLEMING.

>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVIEW THE PURPOSES OF THAT RECREATION CENTER. OF WHY PEOPLE COME THERE, WHEN YOU INFUSE THE AREA WITH THE SKATE PARKS, AND THAT KIND OF DIMINISHES THAT ATMOSPHERE, EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUMMER CAMPS. BETWEEN ROB AND BEAR BRANCH, THE BEAR IS ACTIVE AND MORE SPORT ORIENTED AND THE ROB SUMMER CAMP IS MORE NATURE ORIENTED. THE KIDS GO ON THE TRAILS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND TRUST ME, I'VE LOOKED AT EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THESE PARKS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SQUEEZE IN

MORE AMENITIES AMENITIES AND IT CHALLENGE. >> I KNOW THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT, I THINK THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT YOU NEED TO GIVE THAT SPEECH TO THE VILLAGE OFFICIALS. IT IS A HOLISTIC PLAN AND A COMMUNITY WIDE PLAN.

IT'S NOT JUST, IF WE DO IT HERE WE HAVE TO DO IT OVER THERE. THERE'S A RHYME OR REASON AS TO

WHY SOME AMENITIES ARE IN SOME PLACE AND NOT OTHERS. >> WE HAVE SENSED THE PICKLE BALL, WE HAD BEEN BATTLING THE TENNIS BECAUSE WE HAVE PHENOMENALLY SUCCESSFUL TENNIS AND WE DON'T WANT TO ERODE THE TENNIS THAT'S. TENNIS BEING 10, AND 1 BEING PICKLE BALL. WHERE IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR PICKLE BALL AT THIS POINT? AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE CHOSE FALCON WING WHICH COMES TO THE BOARD TOMORROW. IT'S SEN CENTRALLY LOCATED. THAT SERVICE LEVEL FOR THESE UNIQUE AMENITIES REALLY BLENDS ITSELF WELL FOR THAT. AND THEN, PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE. THE RESTROOM INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE THERE BEFORE WE START PUTTING.

BECAUSE, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE OF 15 CARS

IN A PARKING LOT DESIGNED FOR FIVE. >> I THINK THE OTHER THING WITH ROB FLEMING RECOGNIZE CENTER THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE FOREST BUFFER THAT YOU COULD HIDE A

TENNIS COURT BEHIND. >> RIGHT. >> MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE IN YOUR, NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 2022 ASSESSMENT, THAT FIELD, USING THE YMCAS MASTER PLAN WAS AN EXPANDED BUILDING. AND SO, WE'VE KEPT THAT TO PRESENT TO YOU TOMORROW IN THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN IF SO THE BOARD DESIRES. IF THEY SEE A NEED FOR INDOOR RECREATIONAL SPACE, THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM. IF WE START TO PUT TENNIS AND PICKLE BALL COURTS ON THAT, YOU LOSE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT IF YOU SO DESIRED ONE DAY.

>> AND BEFORE WE JUMP OFF OF 13, I DON'T WANT IT TO COME ACROSS AS WE'VE BEEN DISMISSIVE

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ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. >> THE ADDITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> YEAH, SO, WE HAVE ADDRESSED ITEMS IN THEIR REQUEST ALREADY THROUGH OTHER MEANS SO, I DIDN'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS BEING DISMISSIVE. AND SOME OF THE OTHER REQUESTS REMAINING ARE

CAPTURED IN OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. >> AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE BOARD WAS PRESENTED IN JULY, THE NEED ASSESSMENT. 2,000 RESIDENTS COMMENTED ON THAT, WE MET WITH THE VILLAGE ASSOCIATION, THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COUNSEL AND THEY DID PROVIDE A NUMBER OF NEEDS BASED ON THE GOALS ESTABLISHED IN THE RFP, ONE HOW COWE MEET THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND LOOKING OUT 10-15 YEARS, LOCKING IT HE CONCEPT OF HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME TO OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH NATURE BASED SPORTS AND TOURISM. YOU WERE PRESENTED A LIST OF PROJECTS, AND WE ARE WORKING ON, THAT WAS PRESENTED TOMORROW NIGHT, KIND OF MORE OF A BUCKETIZATION, AND REALLY SAYING, LISTEN, WE KNOW THAT WE

HAVE THE RECREATION CENTERS. >> I CAN CREATE A WORD. I WAS TOLD THAT WHEN I GRADUATED, THAT I COULD CREATE WORDS. BUT, IT'S THAT THERE ARE BIG PRICE TAG PROJECTSMENT ONE BEING THE SPORT'S PARK. THERE ARE NO MODELS, THAT COME IN, AT ABOUT $21 MILLION FOR THAT. THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON OF A PHASING OF THAT PROJECT. AS WELL AS THE SOUTH GOSLING PROJECT. SO, IF YOU LOOK AT JUST WITHIN PHASE ONE, THERE MIGHT BE PHASES TO SAY, HEY, LISTEN, DOES THE BOARD VALUE DOING SOMETHING IN THAT SOUTHERN TIER OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S ALSO AN ENTRYWAY OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I COULD THINK ABOUT. YOU ALSO HAVE A BUCKET OF ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS. THERE ARE SIX OR SEVEN ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS, UPDATING THE LIGHTS TO LEDS. IF THE BOARD WERE TO SO DECIDE TO DO THE BRIDGE, SOME OF THOSE FIELDS MIGHT NOT BE AS WARRANTED BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, HOW CAN WE RENOVATE OUR EXISTING AMENITIES, LEVERAGE THE EXISTING RESTROOMS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WHAT WE DO WITH THE BRIDGE IS YOU MINIMIZE THAT, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON THAT, SO, NOW, THAT 7-$10 MILLION ARTIFICIAL FIELDS MAY NOT BE AS WARRANTED,

AND PUT THAT MONEY THERE. >> YOU KNOW, MORAL IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT, FRANKLY, ANY OR CAPACITY AT THAT PARK, WE'VE GOT A PARKING PROBLEM ALREADY. WE CAN'T PARK THE VEHICLES NOW, ADDING MORE CAPACITY WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE PARKING ISSUE WILL BE AN ISSUE.

>> YOU ARE 100% CORRECT. AND IN THE REVISED PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOWING YOU, BASICALLY TAKES OUT FIELD FOUR. WHICH IS THE TOP FIELD CLOSEST TO THE 242.

>> AND IT'S GRASS? >> IT'S GRASS AND ABOVE A PIPELINE AND CONTINUES THAT PARKING ALL THE WAY DOWN. BUT WE HAVE TO THEN LOOK AT WHERE DO WE MAKE UP THAT FIELD SPACE BECAUSE WE NEED FIELD SPACE. SO, WE HAVE TO THEN LOOK AT HOW DO WE GO SOUTH OF THE ORIGINAL FIELD, SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST OF THE ORIGINAL FIELDS? ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING LAST NIGHT, JOHN, AND I MET WITH CONSULTANT. IS YOU WOULD ACTUALLY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING GOING DOWN THE ROADS OF THE SPORT'S PARK IS TO PUT ADDITIONAL MONEY, CONCEPTUALLY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET DESIGNS TO FIND MORE INVESTIGATIVE ANALYSIS OF WHAT TYPE OF DIRT IS THERE. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT

WHAT WE CAN BUILD. >> THAT GOES INTO THE QUESTION, LIKE YOU SAID, DO WE ENHANCE EXISTING OTHER FACILITIES, AND FOCUS ON FIXING WHAT IS THE CURRENT PROBLEM AT ALDEN BRIDGE?

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>> NO. >> SO, IF WE TRY TO FIX THE PARKING, THAT ALSO TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE DEMAND FOR THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE LESS CAPACITY FOR THE FIELD. SO, THEN, MAY BE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SAYING WE PIVOT TOTO

THE ALTERNATIVE FIELDS. >> YES, THERE IS MERIT TO SAY, CAN I GET THREE MORE FIELDS DOWN THERE AS PART OF THAT PLAN AND THERE'S ANOTHER PHASING APPROACH TOO AS PART OF THE PLAN TO TURF THOSE BASEBALL FIELDS AND EXTEND THE BASEBALL FIELDS, BECAUSE WE'VE YET TO DO, IN MY TENURE, ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL TO FIX THE DRAINAGE. SO, WE COULD PORTION AND PHASE OUT THAT PROJECT AS WELL. BUT, ONCE YOU START TAKING ONE FIELD OUT OF, I CALL IT A HOUSE OF CARDS, IT REALLY, KIND OF, OUT OF ALL THE 16 GROUPS OF WHERE DO I PUT THOSE FOLKS. I HAVE TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME REVIEWING THAT PLAN TO SEE HOW WE COULD BETTER PHASE IT AND WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS THERE, THE REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL BATHROOM. SO, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THAT SPACE ALLOCATION. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO OVER THE COURSE OF NEXT MONTH AND COME BACK TO YOU FROM A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE TO SAY HERE ARE SOME DESIGNS. GETTING IN DEPTH IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. AND THEN WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU A REALLY, PRIORITIZATION HEARING FROM YOUR NEEDS TODAY AND TOMORROW AND SAYING, HERE'S AN ALLOCATED AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AND HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO BRING. WE WANT YOU TO LOOK, CHRIS, AT THE

OPTIONS OF THE BRIDGE OR SOUTH GOSLING. >> BUT, THE REAL POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS YOU JUST CAN'T PUT 10 POUNDS IN A 5 POUND BAG. IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING THERE, THEN, IF WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY, WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY. PARKING LAWN 242, AND PEOPLE JUMPING IN AND OUT OF CARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS AN ISSUE. USUALLY IT'S SMALL KIDS WANDERING AROUND. I MEAN, I GET THAT. AND I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. BUT, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, THAT YOU JUST CAN'T STUFF

ANYMORE IN THERE, FOLKS. YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT. >> WE CAN'T STUFF ANYTHING MORE IN THERE UNLESS WE ADDRESS THE PARKING AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE TAKING AWAY FIELDS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO YOU A BETTER PHASING MODEL TO FIGURE OUT WHO COMES FIRST IN THE

ANALYSIS. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: SO, CAN WE, OBVIOUSLY, COME BACK TOMORROW WITH SOME PRIORITIZATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT OR PARKS AND REC IN THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WHAT ARE THE NEAR TERM ACTIONABLE NON-CONFLICTED PROJECTS THAT WE

COULD ADDRESS IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE? >> YES, OF COURSE, AND PART OF THEM WILL NOT BE THE ATTRACTIVE ONES. WHAT WE'VE HEARD MANY TIMES FROM OUR RESIDENTS IS OUR WEAKEST SYSTEMS OR ACCESS TO THE FIELDS IS THE RESTROOMS. WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE COMMUNITY RESTROOMS WHICH ARE ATTACHED AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, WE HAVE A PHASED GROUPING OF BATHROOMS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO AN EXISTING BUILDING, FREE-STANDING BATHROOMS AND PARKS THAT NEED KNEW REST ROOMS WHICH DON'T HAVE REST ROOMS AT THIS POINT. AND THAT, HONESTLY, IS ABOUT A

$10 MILLION PRICE TAG. >> YEAH, THE BATHROOM PRICING WAS ONE, $1 MILLION BETTER

RESTROOM? >> WE'VE GOTTEN IT DOWN A BIT, BUT, PART OF THAT ISSUE IS WHEN YOU SAW IT LAST TIME IT WAS A ONE PRICE FITS ALL PRICE TAG AND WE BROKE IT DOWN TO THE RESTROOMS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY. SO, THEY HAVE TO BE FRESHENED UP. AND WE LOOKED AT HOW TO WHOLE SALE, THE BONES ARE PROBABLY STILL GOOD, BUT HOW TO MAKE IT MORE VISUALLY PLEASING

AND PLEASING INSIDE. WE MANAGED THE COST THERE TOO? >> I GUESS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

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HAVE AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO ALL OF THAT STUFF. >> CORRECT. AN ONE IDEA THAT I THOUGHT OF, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THE CONSULTANT HARD, WE KEEP IDENTIFYING, LIKE, JUST THIS MORNING, SOMEHOW THE COMMUNITY GARDENS GOT DROPPED OFF OF A PRESENTATION. WHERE ARE THOSE? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE IN YOUR BAG OF TRICKS IS TO IDENTIFY IS THERE MERIT TO SAY, UM, THERE'S AN IDENTIFIED AMOUNT THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH TO SUPPORT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT PLAN AND TO YOU, FROM A BOARD PERSPECTIVE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE TO TRY TO MAKE HAPPEN FIRST? DO YOU SEE VALUE IN THE BRIDGE, DO YOU SEE VALUE IN GOSLING, AND JUST REALLY ADDRESSING THE TURF FIELDS OR THE LED LIGHTING OR RESTROOMS THAT WE MENTIONED.

AND THEN, WE COULD DELIVER TO YOU THAT PRIORITIZATION BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

>> I WAS WHISPERING TO GORDY EARLIER, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COLLAPSING ALL OF THESE RESERVE FUNDS. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CREATE A SEPARATE CATEGORY FOR PARKS AND REC CAPITAL. BECAUSE, IT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT. AND, IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN A DOING IS LOOKING AT YEAR OVER - YEAR AND NOT LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE NEED A VIABLE PLAN FOR THE NEXT 5-10 YEARS OUT IN TERMS OF COMING UP WITH ENOUGH CAPITAL TO FUND WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR. AND, YOU KNOW, IT NEVER REALLY STRUCK ME BEFORE TODAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS THE 6TH BUDGET CYCLE THAT I'VE GONE THROUGH, THE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF

CAPITAL THAT WE'LL NEED TO RE. >> THE CHALLENGE IS THE NEW STUFF, THE HOW DO WE AFFORD, LIKE, CHAIRMAN BUNCH IDENTIFIED IN 2012. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE FIELDS. LET'S GO TO ARTIFICIAL TURF. THAT JUMPOFF IS SIGNIFICANT FOR THIS BOARD IN THE WAY IT DOES BUDGET. BUT, THE BUCKET DOES A LOT OF THINGS TO SUPPORT THE PARKS AND RECREATION INFRASTRUCTURE ON

THAT RESERVE, IT'S THE MISSING LINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. >> SO, THAT CAPITAL REPLACEMENT THAT WE HAD IT APPEARS IT HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE RENOVATION OF THE RESTROOMS AT ANY ONE OF THE

PARKS, IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? >> THIS PLAN?

>> NO, NOT THIS PLAN BUT WHEN YOU SPOKE TO CAPITAL REPLACEMENT, WE ADDRESSED OTHERS, BUT IT APPEARS WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THE RENOVATION OR UPDATE OF THE RESTROOMS, THE

CURRENT RESTROOMS AT THE PARKS? >> HOW I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS THE BOARD HAS DONE IN IT'S MAJOR PARK RENOVATION, IT'S TOWN WIDE PARKS, SAW MILL, SHADOW BEND, BEAR BRANCH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IT'S WHERE WE GET DOWN TO THE TAMMERAC. BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE RESTROOMS, WE DON'T HAVE A POT OF MONEY TO REHAB THE RESTROOMS AND THAT WAS CAUGHT AS PART OF THE STUDY.

>> AND, I THINK ALL OF THOSE, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH 11 YEARS OF BUDGETS. EVERY TIME WE GET INTO A PARK RECREATION, EVERY BOARD ADDED MORE FUNDING TO THE RENOVATION PROJECT THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED. SO, THE CAPITAL RESERVE DOES A GOOD JOB OF MITIGATING IN THAT CURRENT BUDGET CYCLE THE NEED TO COME OUT WITH MORE CAPITAL. AND THE POSITIVE VARIANCES THAT WE'VE

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WHICH IS WHY I WAS OKAY COLLAPSING THESE RESERVES. REVISIT THE 30-YEAR PLAN, ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT IS WE'VE MISSED AND THE ADDED AMENITIES THAT WE CONTINUE TO ADD OVER THE LAST DECADE AND MAKE SURE THAT'S ADEQUATE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SUPPLY CHAIN WE'VE SEEN NEAR TERM AND LONG-TERM. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG NUMBER WHEN WE ADD ALL OF THESE RESERVES IN. AND WE DON'T NEED THE GENERAL POPULATION SAYING LOOK AT ALL THE CASH HERE AND

GIVE ME A DIVIDEND CHECK. >> IT'S NOT JUST REPLACEMENT TOO, GORDY, IT'S CAPITAL FOR NEW

PROJECTS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN ENVISION BEFORE. >> AS I SAID, I JUST THINK THAT AT SOME POINT IF YOU DO IT IN ONE FUND IT'S FINE. WHEN I THINK OF THE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT RESERVES, THESE ARE KNOWN ENTITIES AND WE KNOW THE LENGTH OF THESE PROJECTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN FOR. BUT, AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT'S AN ADDITION EXPENSE THAT'S NOT REALLY IN OUR CAPITAL

RESERVE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: THAT'S ON OUR CAPITAL CONTINGENCY RESERVE. WE HAVE SEPARATE RESERVES, THE CAPITAL CONTINGENCY RESERVE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE BEAR AND OTHERS, BECAUSE THE THING WHEN WE COLLAPSE THESE RESERVES IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE CAPITAL CONTINGENCY RESERVE PURE, AND WANT TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE, WE CAN, BUT, I JUST THING THAT IF WE PUT IT ALL IN ONE BUCKET AND UPDATE THE MODEL AND PART OF THAT UPDATE INCLUDES HAVING FUNDING FOR NEW AMENITIES AND REFRESHMENTS THAT MAY NOT BE CAPTURED, I THINK THAT'S OKAY TO PUT THEM IN ONE POT, WE COULD KEEP THEM SEPARATE.

>> TO ME, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CAPITAL, I THINK WE WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY.

THIS PARTICULAR RESERVE IS FOR NEW PROJECTS THAT THE BOARD WISHES TO DO. AND IT'S NOT AFFECTING, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT RESERVE WHICH IN THEORY, IS ESSENTIALLY ALREADY SPOKEN FOR. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NEW CAPITAL. THAT'S JUST A DIFFERENT IDEA.

>> IN A SMALLER SCALE, IT FACTORS IN ADDING THE OPERATING EXPENSE FOR ADDITIONAL LABOR AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE MORE CAPITAL PROJECTS WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO ADD SOMEBODY AND THAT'S

SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING AS WELL. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO, IT SOUND LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE A 24-HOUR REPRIEVE TO COME BACK WITH PRIORITIZED ITEMS OUT OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IN THE NEAR TERM AND IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY YOU WOULD RATHER NOT GO THAT ROUTE AND PLAY IT OUT OVER TIME, LET US KNOW.

>> MY PLAN TO GIVE YOU TOMORROW IS PACKAGE A, B, C, D, AT DIFFERENT VALUES.

>> OH, THE CHINESE MENU OPTIONS? >> YOU SAID I WAS CREATIVE.

SO. [LAUGHTER] .

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT. SO, THAT WILL MOVE US DOWN TO NUMBER 15. MONIQUE? BEFORE GETTING STARTED ON THIS ONE, I'LL JUMP INTO THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, I'VE KEPT A RUNNING TALLY OF PROJECTS, YOU STILL HAVE $25 MILLION IN UNDESIGNATED FUNDS TO DO. AND WE'VE DONE A KEQUICK STUDY. RIT NOW, BASED ON THE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS OVER THE PAST YEARS AND WHERE THERE'S KNOWN DEFICIENCIES. WE FEEL SOMEWHERE AROUND $5.2 MILLION IS WHAT WE

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RUNNING TALLY ON WHERE WE ARE IN ALL OF THIS. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE CHAIRMAN'S THAT THE OPERATING RESERVE SHOULD BE MOVED TO 25% SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.

>> I AGREE. >> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T WANT TO GO SPENDING OTHER

MONEY UNTIL THE OPERATING RESERVE IS YOU KNOW, 100% SOLID. >> AGREED. SO, WE'LL GET

EVERYTHING UP-TO-DATE TOMORROW. >> AND ON THAT MATH YOU JUST GAVE US, DID THAT INCLUDE THE

$3 MILLION FOR BEAR BRANCH OR NOT? >> IT DID. YES. IT DID.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. SO, THESE LAST TWO BUDGET INITIATIVES ARE BACK TO DEALING WITH OPERATING EXPENSE. SO, ONGOING OPERATING EXPENSE AS OPPOSED TO CAPITAL. THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE COCKRANS COUNTY VILLAGE ASSOCIATION. I WILL SAY

THAT THAT'S THE ONLY VILLAGE THAT REQUESTED THAT. >> DIDN'T WE GIVE THEM

$25 MILLION LAST YEAR? >> TWO YEARS AGO. >> I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY

EXPENSES? . >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CORRESPONDING EXPENSES THAT WOULD WARRANT US HANDING OVER ANOTHER $2,500. I'M NOT SAYING NO. BUT, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SHOW

ME. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I'LL SAY NO.

>> I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE VILLAGE ASSOCIATIONS DO, BUT THEY'RE SEPARATE NON-PROFIT GROUPS THAT ARE RESIDENT-LED AND THEY GIVE MONEY AWAY IN SCHOLARSHIPS I DON'T WANT OUR FUND TO BE PASSED THROUGH TO SCHOLARSHIP FUNDING BECAUSE THAT'S COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF OUR AUTHORIZATION AS A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. AND TO BRUCE'S POINT, THEY DON'T HAVE EXPENSES TO CORE LATE TO THIS ADDITIONAL ASK THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. AND IF ONLY ONE VILLAGE OUT OF EIGHT ASKS FOR IT THAT TELLS YOU THAT DON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEED.

>> I ALSO CONCUR. THANK YOU. >> AND THEN, THIS IS THE LAST BUDGET INITIATIVE AND THIS HAS BEEN RAISED BY SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS TO ASK US TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU THE MATH ON THIS.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT RETIREMENT SYSTEMS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. ONE FOR ALL GENERAL EMPLOYEES, MEANING NON-FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES HIRED PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST, 2018. THE BENEFIT LEVEL FOR RETIREMENT PLANS IS A TWO FOR ONE MATCH UP TO 14%. SO, IF AN EMPLOYEE PUTS IN 7%, THE EMPLOYER MATCHES 14%. SUBSEQUENT, ANYBODY HIRED AFTER JAN 1, 2018 HAS A RETIREMENT PLAN WHERE IT'S A ONE FOR ONE MATCH UP TO 12%. SO, YOU PUT IN

12% AND YOU GET 12% MATCH. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: YOU KNOW, THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE MUNICIPAL MODEL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE FOUND THIS OUT WHEN WE WERE DOING RECRUITING.

I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTE THIS IS NECESSITY THAT WE DO IT. >> WE'RE REVERTING BACK TO THE PRIOR 2 TO ONE FOR GENERAL EMPLOYEES BUT WE'LL BE ADDING 2% ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WILL NOT REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL MATCH FROM THE FIRE SERVICE?

>> THEY COULD HOLD TO THE 12% FROM THE EMPLOYEE. AND THEN WE'RE JUST BRINGING THE 14% ON

THE EMPLOYER TO MATCH GENERAL EMPLOYEES. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS

IT. >> YEP. >> OKAY. AND I APOLOGIZE, THE PLATS PLAN WAS MY IDEA. ALTHOUGH PEOPLE DID VOTE WITH ME. BUT, IN PRACTICE IT DID BECOME DIFFICULT FOR US TO RECRUIT, TALENTED, EXECUTIVE-LEVEL FOLKS FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES USED TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RETIREMENT SYSTEM. WE'RE GOING BACK AND IMPROVING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO, THIS IS A

COUP FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES TODAY. AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WILL UPDATE EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND GIVE YOU A GOOD

STARTING POINT FOR TOMORROW. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CIRCLE BACK ITEMS. I DON'T WANT TO NOT CIRCLE BACK, BECAUSE IF WE COULD KNOCK SOME OF THEM OUT TODAY, WE MINE AS

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RIESER SUGGESTED? >> THE 370, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING EXPENSE IN 2023. SO, YOU COULD SEE THAT THE -- SORRY, YES, IT'S FOR THE FIVE CYCLES, WHICH WILL GIVE BASICALLY THE STAFF TWO MONTHS TO DO CYCLES AND IN CASE IT RAINS, THERE'S SOME TIME OR WE WOULD MONETIZE THOSE ADDITIONAL HOURS THROUGH TREE TRIMMING, SIGHT LINE VISIBILITY, WHATEVER ODD TASKS THAT WE COULD HAVE OUR STAFF DO. I'M MIXED BECAUSE I DO APPRECIATE THE CONTRACTED STAFF MODEL VERY MUCH THAT WE'VE USED OVER THE YEARS. BUT, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE SEEN REALLY, I THINK, SERVICE BENEFITS OF THE IN-HOUSE MODEL FOR WHAT WE CALL LOW HANGING FRUIT, WHICH IS THE MOST COMPLAINTS. PATHWAYS, CUL DE SACS THAT WE CONTROL THE SERVICES. I THINK ARE THE COMPLAINTS OVER THE LAST YEAR HAVE GONE DOWN FROM WHEN WE WERE USE THE CONTRACTOR. HERE, THERE'S A DEDICATED FOUR-PERSON TEAM. AND BOOM, YOU KNOW, THAT, WHO YOU ARE CALLING, THAT'S US BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR US NOT HAVING TO GET A CONTRACT.

>> SO, THIS COULD BE CALLED MORE THAN JUST SMALL CUL DE SAC MAINTENANCE, YOU'RE REALLY JUST

ADDING FTES? >> YOU WOULD BE ADDING FDES THAT GO INTO THE STREETSCAPE CREW. BUT, AGAIN, EVERY TWO MONTHS THEY'RE COMING OUT TO DO TRIMMING, AND BLOWING, NOT REPL REPLACING LANDSCAPING. THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THESE WAS TWO-FOLD ONE TO SERVE AS A FOREST BUFFER FOR RESIDENTS, TO SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE DOING ACROSS THE STREET AND ORIGINALLY GOING BACK IT WAS THE RESIDENTS' JOB. BUT THAT HAS CHANGED OVER

THE LAST -- >> IF WE APPROACH A SMALL CUL DE SAC WHICH IS LANDSCAPED AND

MAINTAINED BY THE RESIDENTS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPEDE? >> WE'RE USUALLY JUST GOING TO BLOW AND CLEAN IT UP BUT NO MOWING AND TRIMMING THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING.

>> AND THIS NEW STRIKE TEAM CAN BE DOING STUFF ON PATHWAYS AND OTHER THINGS, SO, YOUR POINT IS

THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE CUL DE SACS. >> YOU GET ADDITIONAL BODIES AND THAT WAS ONE NICE THING ABOUT ADDING THE PATHWAYS AS WELL AS THE LARGER CUL DE SACS, IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY WE'RE BUILDING UP THE LABOR FORCE TO ADDRESS IMMEDIATE NEEDS.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: I'M SATISFIED. >> I STILL THINK FOUR TIMES A YEAR IS ADEQUATE. YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OTHER THINGS FOR THEM TO DO. WE'RE TAKING ON A LOT MORE

WORK OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. >> YOU COULD ASSURE THAT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO

OPTIONS. >> I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO GO A.

>> YEAH, A. >> YOU COULD SET THE STANDARD. >> SO, A, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO TRANSLATE BETWEEN A AND B, BECAUSE THE OPTION HE'S THROWING OUT ISN'T A OR B. I THINK THAT THE BOARD'S SAYING YES, GO WITH A, PUT IT ON OUR DEDICATED TEAM, PUT A STANDARD OF FOUR TIMES A YEAR. THAT GIVES THE HIRES TO ADDRESS OTHER STRIKE AREAS IN THE TOWNSHIP?

>> I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY IN YOUR TOWNSHIP ORDERS OF WHAT THE STANDARD IS. WE WILL HAVE AN ORDER REVISION BECAUSE IT'S ONE TIME, RIGHT NOW, WE'LL BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE START OF THE

PROGRAM, 2023. >> BUT YOU HAVE FUNDING. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: AND THE LAST ONE WAS THE TOWN GREEN PARK. THIS WAS A LOGO ONE. IF

YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS TOMORROW? >> UM, TOMORROW COULD BE THE

DAY. >> IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD REVIEW?

>> I THINK BASED ON ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE IN ADVANCE OF TOMORROW. BECAUSE, I THINK THE NEXT TWO THAT WE'LL TIE BACK INTO THE NEED'S ASSESSMENT. AND I THINK THAT WE COULD TAKE THOSE ON TOMORROW. BUT, IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK TODAY THAT YOU

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COULD PROVIDE. I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE MYSELF. >> I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO E-MAIL MONIQUE AND SHE'LL PASS IT TO US, AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS SO FAR, BECAUSE THAT WILL CONCLUDE AGENDA ITEM SIX WHICH WE WILL NOT TAKE ACTION ON BECAUSE WE'RE STILL COMING BACK

TOMORROW. THAT WILL MOVE US -- WE'VE DONE INITIATIVE. >> YOU SKIPPED OVER THE, WHEN YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK, YOU SKIPPED OVER THE, YOU KNOW, THE BEXAR BRANCH

IMPROVEMENTS. >> YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR CURRENT CAPITAL ALLOCATION.

>> I DID, YES. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: WE COULD KEEP IT IN.

>> I JUST WANT TO BE SURE EVERYBODY'S OKAY. (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: THE $3 MILLION FOR BEXAR BRANCH IS IN.

>> THE RIVA ROW? >> WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TOMORROW.

>> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: THIS MOVES US TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT WHICH IS. DO WE DO THIS TODAY?

>> NO. WE JUST PUT IT ON THERE IN CASE WE GOT TO IT. NO HEARINGS, OR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS

TODAY. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: AND THAT WILL MOVE US TO REALLY, ALL THE

WAY TO ADJOURNMENT. >> YES, SIR. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECONDED. >> CHAIRMAN BUNCH: ALL IN

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.